Seven States to Ban the Sale of Gas Powered Cars in 2035

[FishOnOne]

These are the states that have signed up to ban the sale of new cars starting in 2035.

All of the planned bans are in coastal states: In addition to California and Maryland, Massachusetts, New Jersey, New York, Oregon and Washington have made the commitment to stop allowing sales of new gas-powered vehicles after 2035.

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[Reisender]

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

I don’t think EV sales are taking off like they are because they are solving a problem or because they are some kind of ecological panacea. People are buying EV’s because they like them. The biggest reasons people buy EV’s are still

Better performance on every metric.
Convenience of fueling at home.
Great tech (a big crowd pleaser)
Low maintenance.
Cheap fuel.
Super quiet.
For those of us who get winter EV’s are super convenient compared to gassers or diesels. Never worry about starting in the cold and for those of us who park outside a lot it’s toasty warm and defrosted with no window scraping within 5 minutes. Much faster than a gasser or diesel. Probably half our neighbours went EV shopping after they watched us go thru the first winter with ours 7 years ago. It’s nice. And gas pumps in winter are never any fun. One of our older neighbours switched last year before winter. She loves not having to deal with a gas pump in winter anymore.

But to each their own. Everybody has different preferences.

[way2roll]

blt2ski wrote:
way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

You're not wrong and I appreciate the positive spin. I like technology when it makes a difference. But to me, EV's aren't better, they're just different. I don't see where we've solved a single problem. We've just created new ones and kicked the can down the road. I feel with the technology we have available we can do better. Maybe it will come. We'll see.

[JRscooby]

free radical wrote:



Is it free market or socialism
When Gov pays bilions $ to rescue failing banks or factories?


Heres Somethin interesting our msm doesnt show wonder why

https://youtu.be/mmpWb6exNpQ

Free market is often used in place of Capitalism.
You say it is either/or free market/socialism, then a link likely approved/financed by Communist China. Are you suggesting you don't see a difference communism/socialism?
Talking to people more educated than I am, reading books they recommend I understand communism, when corrupted, (always is) the ownership of, and profits from production always goes to few people.
But, OTOH capitalism, working as designed, and not constrained by strong unions or strong government the ownership of, and profits from production always goes to few people.

[blt2ski]

way2roll,

While i stated a hopefull goal, i did not state some things that worry me. ie many of the things you mention. Which hopefully as part of permitting process, some of the things you mention will be ways to control run off, slides of left over muck etc.

i have a (multiple/ superfund site in my backyard per say. dept of ecology etc, know their is no way to clean these places up. its more of a how to contain these sites. The one im thinking of, i drive in and on it weekly at a minimum.

other projects like the oil line from canada to gulf states. i have no issues saying im ok with it, but the part some want to run across an aquifer, thru known sacred lands etc. Boo Hoo that the longer route costs more. At the end if the day, as noted my many, oil gets tax write offs for this, so we the people pay for it.

Hopefully, their will be better options, better lives ahead. If not, hopefully some if us can say we tried.

marty

[free_radical]

way2roll wrote:

blt2ski wrote:
for those of you that work or play in places that get somilar rules thrown at them..... how many have truly caused issues? how many got delayed due to technology being unable to do the requirement? so things get delayed.....

i can think of MANY government recomendations and regs that got passed over my time on this planet. many that got delayed due to the abilities of industry etc for many reasons not able to meet the regs.

EV vehicles have a place. At the moment, not able to meet specs for us all. Not a problem in my book today. When 2034 rolls around, hopefully tech, mines have opened to meet lithium and other material needs have come online, we might meet regs. If not, then relook at regs.

marty

The issue for me isn't the technology hindering me in any way. I like technology. It's the lack of free market and being forced to adopt despite challenges and forcing me to pay for it.

That's socialism not free market. If you want to spend your own billions developing a product that could produce benefit and profit for you, knock yourself out. But don't cherry pick science in your sales pitch to force me to be an investor making me poorer while you get rich. EV's haven't made it on their own in over a hundred years. Just goes to show if you throw enough money at anything you can make it work. As long as it's not your money. And "work" is pretty loose, especially in the utopian benefit pamphlets.
.

Is it free market or socialism
When Gov pays bilions $ to rescue failing banks or factories?


Heres Somethin interesting our msm doesnt show wonder why

https://youtu.be/mmpWb6exNpQ

[free_radical]

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Yet Tesla makes bilions on their EVs.

Ford just doesnt have the know how to build at profit,why is that?

Check Munro live chanel for answers

Cybrtrk is delayed bc of batery shortage.

[ktmrfs]

Cptnvideo wrote:
Aren't Washington and Oregon becoming clones of Cali-fornicate-ya?
Asking for a friend.

I've never defined someone by where the live, where they come from, what they do. I've meet and developed wonderful friendships with people from all around the world.

Nor do I define any state by anything political, I think of states as what is nice to do, what to visit, what to see, and there are wonderful things everywhere.

all one needs to do is look with an open mind and put preconceptions aside.

That said, if you want to avoid coming to oregon, so be it, sorry for all the great places we have to offer that you will miss. Crater lake a wonder of the world, Steins Mountain, Wallowa lake, The columbia gorge, then to the out of the way places, hole in the ground, crack in the ground,

California Has Lassen, Yosemite, and out of the way places like Julian and Berago sprins with fantastic wildflowers in the spring.

I could go on about every state we have visted, and I'm glad I didn't decide NOT to go because of political reputations.

your loss, my gain

[goducks10]

LMHS wrote:

goducks10 wrote:


Works for me. CG's are crowded enough as it is.

You're very welcome. I wouldn't want to run into more people like you.

What is people like me?

[Cptnvideo]

Aren't Washington and Oregon becoming clones of Cali-fornicate-ya?
Asking for a friend.

[LMHS]

goducks10 wrote:


Works for me. CG's are crowded enough as it is.

You're very welcome. I wouldn't want to run into more people like you.

[LMHS]

Latner wrote:

X2. If you happen to wander off course and end up in kali, be sure to hide your bag of Skittles.

I don't eat skittles.

[LMHS]

ktmrfs wrote:

yes, PLEASE stay out of Oregon Washington and CA

You are most welcome.

[Grit_dog]

^Ya, lol. He got GOMS (grumpy ole man syndrome)! Lol

Not visiting a state due to their political affiliation? Hilarious!

[ktmrfs]

goducks10 wrote:

LMHS wrote:
Seven States That Are On My Do Not Visit List:

California
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Oregon
Washington

After all, I'm just helping them out. Since they don't want the type of vehicles I drive, then they shouldn't mind losing any potential tourist revenue. I just wonder if they are going to stop jets from flying into their states?

Works for me. CG's are crowded enough as it is.

yes, PLEASE stay out of Oregon Washington and CA, will make it easier for us to find campsites and see the great areas we have and more time to enjoy our great outdoor wonders.

Stay at home and sulk about what is to come.

[MFL]

way2roll wrote:

Durb wrote:
Just out: Ford projects it will lose 3 billion dollars on its electrical vehicle production in 2023.

Margins on Rivian's products are at negative sixty-two percent.

It has been three years since Tesla teased their Cybertruck - no trucks yet. Word is market viability is a large concern.

Those that tow may be forced into EVs by a certain date in certain states. However, there may not be anyone manufacturing product for them to buy. Companies cannot eat losses like these and remain viable. .

Unless they're subsidized and write off their losses. Meaning you and I get to pay more for the failure than the success of this agenda. This is typical "ready, shoot, aim" policies with half baked science holding it up to garner votes at the cost of the taxpayer.

EV manufacturers eat their losses?? Nope, not them. We will, but it's for our own good, somehow, so just enjoy helping out!

Jerry