Space Heater

[junmy3]

We use a small 1500W ceramic space heater that is not adequate. Today we looked a Lowes and saw a much larger heater, but is was also only 1500W. So my question is what kind of heater would be better. I know we could use the propane furnace, but prefer to not have to when we have electric hook-ups.

[beemerphile1]

pianotuna wrote:
bemerphile1,

If the power goes off, does it "keep" the setting?

Yes, it also has batteries so it is unaffected by power disconnects.

[cougar28]

Huntindog wrote:
Actually yes, I do think they should be charged less.... Though I doubt, it would happen. The van people just are not a big enough part of the business to cater to.

So now the campgrounds are thieves!

[Lantley]

Huntindog wrote:

Lantley wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

Naio wrote:
If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service?

I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things?

Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that.
Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use.

Yes but if you think those running space heaters are committing theft Do you believe those using only 15 amps are entitled to refunds?
I imagine the CG sets their rate high enough to include those using space heaters, or those running 3 AC's etc.
If the CG rate is not high enough to cover these worst case/max.use scenarios, than the CG's need to increase their rates.

Actually yes, I do think they should be charged less.... Though I doubt, it would happen. The van people just are not a big enough part of the business to cater to.

I can not believe how many people get this concept of not using more than you pay for so confused.
Do you got to the grocery store, put some apples in a bag and eat some of them before checking out too?
I imagine the store charges enough to cover the theft????

Actually they do. What those that bend the rules to their likeing may not realize is that they are stealing from everyone.
The RV park and grocery store compensate for abuse/theft by raising prices for everyone. Your parents, best friend, your children, neighbors, The handicaped people, those struggling on social security, disabled vets, and everyone on this forum.... Even the ones you like. They all pay more because of this.

But hey, pat yourself on the back, as you got it for free.

Where your analogy is wrong is that you are comparing using unmetered electric to a finite purchase.
The CG knows that every RV'ers electric use will be different.
A van will likely use less than a 36' class A.
A casita will use less than a 36'TT yet they all pay the same 30 amp rate. The difference in actual cost at the end of the day is negligible. Some will use more some will use less but the CG will be covered.
A better example is take the high school football team to the all you can eat buffet and take the ballerina squad to the buffet. I'm sure the football team is going to eat a whole lot more, but is that theft? Of course not. The owner has calculated how much food the average user will heat and set a profitable price.
Sure my teenage son is going to eat 4 plates full, but there is a grandmother out there that will barely eat anything. There will be a few customers (football players) that you lose on and a few (grandmothers) that you win on. Overall the price is set to ensure profit.

For every space heater electric hog, there is a van using 15 amp or a tent on a 30 amp site using minimal electric.
CG's know that over the course of a short term stay they can estimate the usage apply a rate plus some and not worry about electric use.
Do you really think CG owners are just gullible and are letting campers steal their electric as you imply?
Now for longer stays and seasonal sites you often see metered electric because over a longer stay it becomes harder to estimate usage.
The CG's understand what they are doing. Those that feel campers are taking advantage enact no heater rules. Most CG's it's easier to just raise the daily rate to cover the cost of electric. Than to strictly monitor each individual sites usage.
There will always be a variable associated with electric usage, a heat wave or a cold spell will have an impact,the types of RV's renting sites will have an impact.
RV appliance use will have a minimal impact. Do we need to charge more for multi battery RV's? How about those with Ice makers. Do we get into residential fridges.Electric water heaters vs.lp.
What is the base electric usage? Without meters the CG doesn't really know. But more importantly they don't really care. They set a profitable rate and don't worry about it.
Maybe they should hire "space heater police" to weed out the thieves?

[Huntindog]

Lantley wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

Naio wrote:
If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service?

I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things?

Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that.
Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use.

Yes but if you think those running space heaters are committing theft Do you believe those using only 15 amps are entitled to refunds?
I imagine the CG sets their rate high enough to include those using space heaters, or those running 3 AC's etc.
If the CG rate is not high enough to cover these worst case/max.use scenarios, than the CG's need to increase their rates.

Actually yes, I do think they should be charged less.... Though I doubt, it would happen. The van people just are not a big enough part of the business to cater to.

I can not believe how many people get this concept of not using more than you pay for so confused.
Do you got to the grocery store, put some apples in a bag and eat some of them before checking out too?
I imagine the store charges enough to cover the theft????

Actually they do. What those that bend the rules to their likeing may not realize is that they are stealing from everyone.
The RV park and grocery store compensate for abuse/theft by raising prices for everyone. Your parents, best friend, your children, neighbors, The handicaped people, those struggling on social security, disabled vets, and everyone on this forum.... Even the ones you like. They all pay more because of this.

But hey, pat yourself on the back, as you got it for free.

[Lantley]

Huntindog wrote:

Naio wrote:
If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service?

I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things?

Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that.
Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use.

Yes but if you think those running space heaters are committing theft Do you believe those using only 15 amps are entitled to refunds?
I imagine the CG sets their rate high enough to include those using space heaters, or those running 3 AC's etc.
If the CG rate is not high enough to cover these worst case/max.use scenarios, than the CG's need to increase their rates.

[CFerguson]

CFerguson wrote:

thomasmnile wrote:
And all the OP wanted was suggestions for a space heater......:h

You forgot how many jailhouse-type lawyers that like to argue about nothing that we have here.


((I like the guy that uses 24amps and the guy that deserves a refund on his 15amps! both lightened up my day- thanks!))

[CFerguson]

thomasmnile wrote:
And all the OP wanted was suggestions for a space heater......:h

You forgot how many jailhouse-type lawyers that like to argue about nothing that we have here.


((I like the guy that uses 24amps and the guy that deserves a refund on his 15amps!))

[thomasmnile]

And all the OP wanted was suggestions for a space heater......:h

[pianotuna]

Hi Gdetrailer,

I limit myself to 24 amps. There is no requirement that I do so. I paid a pretty penny for a hybrid inverter/charger that allows me to draw from my battery bank for items over that self imposed limit. I also paid for an autoformer to correct the lousy low voltage that many campgrounds offer us.

My point it is NOT theft.

BTW where I live about 90% of the energy comes from coal.

In my retirement condo, I'm using about 3 kwh per day. That is something of a swindle as I don't pay directly for water heating or space heating (both of those are natural gas fired, and are funded from condo fees).

My cost for electricity is about $0.142 cents per kwh or $12.78 per month. My bill is $39.00 because of delivery fees charged by the power company, city government, Provincial tax, City surcharge, Federal sales tax (GST), and a fake carbon tax. I don't know where you got the idea that in Canada the government is paying for delivery charges.

Should I bill the campground for the energy that my solar panels feed back into the system? Or is that the opposite of theft on my part?

At the moment I'm at a casino that offers free parking to RV's with 30 amp power. But the snow has made that impossible--so I'm in the "overflow" area and getting the 30 amps from two 15 amp shore power outlets. I'm heating the bedroom--and the front of the RV is not wonderfully warm. I could run a 3rd shore power cord--but I choose not to take advantage of their generosity.

I drive 78 kph because that saves the most fuel. (49 mph). I boondock whenever possible or logical.

Gdetrailer wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
The campground sets the price. If it includes power, then I am not "stealing". That idea is ludicrous.

Piano, your post really outlines the real truth of today's SELFISH VIEWS that the average human has now days.. The "what is in it for me" mentality of today pretty much ruins things for everyone tomorrow.


Your used to Canada's power, Canada may have a lot of "free" energy from "Hydro dams" but it too still has real costs to maintain and it is not free to generate and distribute that power, Canada gov absorbs that cost and ALL will eventually end up paying more for ALL of your goods..

[Huntindog]

Naio wrote:
If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service?

I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things?

Again, out of context. If a park has seperate fees for 30 or 50 amp service, then one is not entitled to use more than that.
Itf there were enough people only using 15 amps then you would likely see a lower fee for that use.

[Naio]

If the people who are using 30 amps + 15 amps are supposed to pay more, does that mean I get a discount for my van that only has a 15 amp service?

I also don't use the sewer dump, the cable TV, and usually don't use the water hose. Do I get a discount for all these things?

[Gdetrailer]

pianotuna wrote:
The campground sets the price. If it includes power, then I am not "stealing". That idea is ludicrous.

Campground does "set the price" but that price is set by reviewing ALL of their expenses (labor, maintenance and all other costs of business) from the PREVIOUS YEAR. If cost has gone up, they WILL be forced to raise the campground rates to cover the costs and to draw some sort of income that they can live on.

The "elephant in the room" is that you and many others are ignoring the fact that what you use now WILL affect the campground prices NEXT YEAR.

SO, if "everyone" that is "entitled" to 30A or 50A AND uses every bit of it, it WILL cost the campground more in operation expense.

YOU are not being "wise consumers" or being "green" energy wise by deciding to be sloppy electric energy hogs..

One of the biggest gripes on this forum is the PRICE INCREASES or how much more expensive it has gotten at their favorite campgrounds every year, electric costs play a huge part in the price of admission to your favorite campgrounds.

Piano, your post really outlines the real truth of today's SELFISH VIEWS that the average human has now days.. The "what is in it for me" mentality of today pretty much ruins things for everyone tomorrow.

I put this current day selfish view in the same category as all of the EV owners that seem to believe that they are being "green" and are entitled to "free" electricity everywhere (campgrounds too) and still drive on the same public roads without paying their fair share of the ROAD TAXES!

Electricity is not free, it has a real cost and the more we consume the higher it will cost. That IS how electric companies in the USA are structured to bill..

Your used to Canada's power, Canada may have a lot of "free" energy from "Hydro dams" but it too still has real costs to maintain and it is not free to generate and distribute that power, Canada gov absorbs that cost and ALL will eventually end up paying more for ALL of your goods..

Today's motto should be abuse it now and leave nothing behind for my kids, grand kids to have in the future..

[Huntindog]

pianotuna wrote:

Huntindog wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
The campground sets the price. If it includes power, then I am not "stealing". That idea is ludicrous.

It is if you take more than you pay for....
I don't know how many times I have to say it....
IF you are paying for 30 amp service, then you are entitled to draw 30 amps. Not 40, 50 etc. but 30. If the campgound has just one set price for any electric service, (30 or 50) then you are entitled to use more.

Apparently you did not read what I wrote. "The campground sets the price". If I use what they provide I am NOT stealing. If I plugged into a 2nd pedestal--that would be theft. If I pay for 30 amps and use 24 (maximum continuous load), it is not.

And I never said anything different.

On edit: BUT>>>> This does not entitle you to us 40 amps one hour, and 20 the next.

Electricity cost money. The amount of electricty cost money.
AND How fast you use it also costs money.

The campgound has a right to expect that a 30 amp rig will only draw 30 amps at any given time.

[pianotuna]

Huntindog wrote:

pianotuna wrote:
The campground sets the price. If it includes power, then I am not "stealing". That idea is ludicrous.

It is if you take more than you pay for....
I don't know how many times I have to say it....
IF you are paying for 30 amp service, then you are entitled to draw 30 amps. Not 40, 50 etc. but 30. If the campgound has just one set price for any electric service, (30 or 50) then you are entitled to use more.

Apparently you did not read what I wrote. "The campground sets the price". If I use what they provide I am NOT stealing. If I plugged into a 2nd pedestal--that would be theft. If I pay for 30 amps and use 24 (maximum continuous load), it is not.

[Huntindog]

pianotuna wrote:
The campground sets the price. If it includes power, then I am not "stealing". That idea is ludicrous.

It is if you take more than you pay for....
I don't know how many times I have to say it....
IF you are paying for 30 amp service, then you are entitled to draw 30 amps. Not 40, 50 etc. but 30. If the campgound has just one set price for any electric service, (30 or 50) then you are entitled to use more.