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Towing at Max

philh
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Explorer II
Brand new to camping and travel trailers, but not towing.

Wife decided we are going to start camping... so you know what happened next.

'07 Dodge Charger, and based on a unique configuration, which I have, rated at 3800 lbs, with a 200 lb tongue weight limitation. My automotive engineering eye tells me the hitch configuration (vertical receiver) is why there's a tongue weight limitation.

So, we bought a used 19' Trailer with 3343 dry weight. It came with a heavy duty Load Leveling and anti sway bar. Told the wife we're traveling as light as possible and carrying a limited amount of water.

Installed the P3 brake controller. During a short test drive it works great. Power is absolutely no problem.

Friend with a similar configuration said to drive in 4th gear, don't let it go into 5th and keep speeds under 65. He's towing 4500 lbs.

I put new tires on the trailer as they were the original tires at 15 years old. Bearing Buddy had grease in them, wheels bearings "felt" fine.

Our first trip is about 30 miles away, mostly freeway travel. Looking for suggestions and/or concerns with my set up.
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philh
Explorer II
Explorer II
Long trip this weekend pulling the TT, about 250 miles each way.

Once clear of holiday traffic and on SMOOTHER roads, it towed like a dream. I did get a one finger salute... index finger of all things from one vehicle passenger. Not quite sure what the passenger was indicating, but they were also mimicking my shifting pattern? Bored maybe?

Braking was fine, controller did it's job.

No problem pulling during the stop and go traffic, with cooler temps, 2nd fan never came on.

One section of I-75 was awful as trailer was going one way, car going the other.

Where the car failed, drive home today was extremely gusty. I felt it, especially during the T'Storm. It quickly got my attention and I slowed to 55. No problems with trucks passing, but the State Police blowing by me in their expedition at an extremely high rate of speed moved the trailer a tad. If I had to guess, it was over 90.

I have several long trips planned, some on non holiday travel times, so we'll see how they go. We did go golfing and there was a fun twisty road to the golf course. It was fun playing on the twisties 🙂 Can't do that with a SD 🙂

We did talk about the possibility of 2016 F150.

Best part of the whole trip... Woman merging on the freeway and matching my 65 mph set on the cruise control. I was watching her in the mirror, she tried to merge into the trailer and once realized it was there, started hitting her horn. Wife and I were both cracking up at that one.

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I always like the look of those Magnums. It was almost a modern version of the Roadmaster. I wish they would've had a 3rd row option though.

Mastiff
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philh wrote:
First long trip towing with the Charger....damn I love this car 🙂


As you know...

I picked up a 19' Slickcraft and the Magnum tows it beautifully, Actually even the boat better then My brother's Silverado Thru the hills.

Most likely it's attributed to a stout 5sp trans and 435lb / ft of torque, compared to that weezer 5.3L Vortec.

I love my magnum. These Charger/Magnum/300 cars are awesome. I wish more options weye available in a big RWD American V8 sedan/wagon.

rowekmr
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I'm sorry I am late in joining this thread but it was very entertaining to say the least and informative as much.

I think both sides of the coin are needed when it comes to RV'ing, those who are exploratory and want to try something new or untested and those who are critical of it. The explorers develop new ways and concepts and the seasoned salts help keep everything in check safety wise. While I tend to be of the former crowd I have learn to respect those of the latter who like the OP stated have forced me to rethink and reanalyze what I am doing which has kept me safe thus far.

Notice I didn't mention the gloom doomers (you will die/kill everyone when you pull onto the road) as important but hey they can have a place too.

Congrats to the OP for finding a solution and being able to enjoy his new combo.
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philh
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Explorer II
First long trip towing with the Charger. Once we got clear of the HEAVY traffic, it was actually fine. Stop and go on the freeway sucks with any vehicle, but this wasn't much fun. I'm used to setting the cruise at some relatively higher speed and going for hours... not doing that towing a camper. Actually have to watch the gas gauge. Sucks seeing my baby dirty tho 🙂 But sure was nice when I had to make a run to the store, damn I love this car 🙂

Campfire_Time
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philh wrote:

Transmission, while I still want to get a monitor hooked up, and appreciate the link back on page one, this transmission has been proven to take literally twice the torque my engine will throw at it.



I got my ODBII bluetooth reader last week and downloaded Torque Pro. You can add gauges. While I don't need a trans temp readout because my truck has it on the DIC, I did find out that you if can find the PID for the gauge, you can get a reading of the trans temp. Do a Google search for your car and Torque Pro. I think you'll find what you are looking for.
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philh
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Explorer II
where will you be camping?

Dadoffourgirls
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philh wrote:
Mastiff wrote:
Philh post a pic of your car / Trailer at the bridge

Don't hold your breath, that trip isn't planned until August... but that will be a kewl pic 🙂


Can you share which weekend? I will be making that trip twice to take/pickup my daughters who are Mackinac Honor Scouts.
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thomasmnile
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2112 wrote:

It's interesting to read the reactions to unconventional setups from the 'you can't do that without a 1 ton diesel dually' crowd here.


I'm disappointed, thought for sure someone would tell OP he needed a singled Class 8 OTR tractor.............:B

philh
Explorer II
Explorer II
Helper wheels??? LOL

I scraped ever so slightly coming out of my driveway. Didn't have a problem going in, but I backed in an an gle, but came out straight. That might have dropped the hitch just low enough as TV tires came down the "curb"

Nobody needs to eat any crow... New al body F150 (or F250 SD) might do an adequate job 🙂 Lord knows, it would look sweet in my driveway...

When I started this, I was a bit concerned. Granted the 1 ton or stay home crowd were discouraging. However, it also forced me to spend more time analyzing what I was doing and how I was planning to do it.

Gandma may yet get run over by the trailer 🙂

4X4Dodger
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proxim2020 wrote:
kmbelt wrote:
You stated "Looking for suggestions and/or concerns with my set up."

Obviously you were not looking for the info as MANY people have told you about their concerns and all you seem to repeat is that you are an engineer and know it will be fine.

Have fun down the road when
1. your hitch rips the rear of your car out
2. you rear-end another vehicle due to not being able to stop
3. you lose control and flip due to your car not having enough mass to control the swaying you will likely receive while towing
4. you burn the tranny out because it is most likely not built to haul the load unless an exterior transmission cooler was added.

Hopefully during all of this, you do not injure/kill any other motorists and by-standards, because you obviously do not take into account their safety around you.


And if none of this "doom and gloom" happens will you gladly eat crow? So far no one has given him any good hard facts on why this can't be done. Most of the advice has been "I wouldn't do it," "It's a unibody car. You can't tow anything with a unibody car," "You'll be over your limits," etc.

I got to say when I first started reading this thread I was highly skeptical that this combo would be possible, but the OP and others make some really good points. Plus a similar combo is alive, well, and operating just fine. While towing with a Charger would make for a very unconventional and maybe less than ideal TV, that doesn't mean that it can't be done. You don't need a truck with 6 wheels for everything.

I have a little econobox with a stick that has a tow rating of 0 lbs. The manufacturer didn't even make a hitch for it. A few days after I bought it new I put an aftermarket hitch on it. I've put so much stuff behind that little car, even a 600lbs gun safe. Over the last 8 years I've never lost control, flipped, or rear ended someone while towing. Never actually put myself in any of those situations really. The hitch has yet to be ripped from the car. After 168,000 miles, I'm still on the original clutch, engine, and transmission without one problem. Pretty good for a car that routinely exceeds its tow rating.


I am not on the bandwagon with what I like to call the "Nattering Nabobs of Towing Negativity"...to paraphrase Patrick Buchanan...Tongue weight is a variable that can be somewhat controlled by how you load the trailer. ALL vehicles have built in safety margins in design. The published figures are a compromise of marketing , Design and the Legal Department.

What matters is real world testing. And there seems to be plenty of that. Most of it (if not all) points to the fact that what you are wanting to do can be done with the right set up. Years ago when the tongue weight was too much for the car (yes CAR) they installed a set of helper wheels at the hitch.

This is passe now but worked fine.

This site is famous for the "towing Police" who demand weighing and re-weighing and a one ton for every job, never exceeding any given number and think that the weight of the TV is always too light in ratio to the trailer.

Many LTL trucking companies use single axle tractors weighing in at about 12 thousand lbs towing 3 trailers weighing as much as 100K in some states. Your TV weight ratio to towed weight will be just fine.

Note to the Naysayers here...the physics don't change from car/trailer to tractor-trailer.

Go for it OP it sounds like you've done your homework and you have thought this out.

It's more about how you load it , set it up and especially drive it.

2112
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Explorer II
Keep us posted with unbiased objective reports. I'll like to see how this unfolds over time.

It's interesting to read the reactions to unconventional setups from the 'you can't do that without a 1 ton diesel dually' crowd here.
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philh
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Explorer II
Mastiff wrote:
Philh post a pic of your car / Trailer at the bridge

Don't hold your breath, that trip isn't planned until August... but that will be a kewl pic 🙂

Mastiff
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Explorer
philh wrote:
dodge guy wrote:
Sounds good, and too think many here thought they`de see a video of an overturned. fiery wreck of a Charger and TT. glad to here everything went well. I`ll keep an eye out for you up in the UP (to say hi, not to stay far away from your setup LOL).


Plan will be to drive to the bridge in the morning and spend the night. Cross big mac the next morning, which would put me really early, but not ready to do a 7+ hour trip in one shot.


Philh post a pic of your car / Trailer at the bridge