towing with ev6

[pianotuna]

Hi all,

First, I know almost nada about towing.

Kia has come out with the EV6 with an over 300 mile range.

It has a towing capacity of 1600 KG (3527 lb).

Share your thoughts?

[JRscooby]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

mkirsch wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Just remember all that money you save in gas will have to be put into a new battery when the time comes! I wouldn’t want that one time fee.

I dunno, that ChrisFix guy on youtube replaced the battery in a Prius and it didn't seem like it was all that bad from a cost standpoint.

My buddy replaced his battery in the Prius he owns. 3 years ago it was $5,300.00. A Toyota dealer did it. Nobody else would touch it.

Then a year later his wives Prius battery crapped out. It's was $5,500.00 at the same Toyota dealer.

With current prices of fuel, he could have gone 70K on that amount of cash.

All in all it was a pretty expensive cheap car.

But no mention about how far the cars went.

[Reisender]

Michelle.S wrote:
OK, how many EV charging stations has everyone seen where they Camp?? I don't recall a single one. Now I guess if you can use a stand-a-lone charger like an electric Golf Cart you could charge overnite, until CGs catch on and start charging for it.

There's a couple in a campground down the road from us.

You can't use a golf cart charger as it it not a J1772 connector.

Campgrounds already routinely charge for car charging. And they advertise on apps that EV drivers use to find charge facilities, It is a revenue stream for them.

However, all the popular EV's come with an EVSE or charge cable that can be connected to a 50 amp or 30 amp pedestal. Its what most people use at home to charge their EV's. We bought a second one for a few hundred bucks so we could always have one in the trunk. They typically max out at 10 KW though as opposed to the 12 KW units found in campgrounds. This is what an included EVSE charge unit looks like. Thats a standard 14-50 NEMA plug. This one is in my garage.



KOA announced they are installing dedicated units on the RV site itself. This is the pedestal they are using. All in one. A standard J1772 unit that is compatible with all EV's. Also a 50 amp, a 30 amp and 20 amp plug etc etc.



I think those who do local camping on weekends with smaller trailers will have no problem with the lighter EV trucks. If you need to do long trips or hall heavy trailers get a diesel or a stark 1/2 ton gasser. Right tool for the right job.

JMHO Not an expert.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

mkirsch wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Just remember all that money you save in gas will have to be put into a new battery when the time comes! I wouldn’t want that one time fee.

I dunno, that ChrisFix guy on youtube replaced the battery in a Prius and it didn't seem like it was all that bad from a cost standpoint.

My buddy replaced his battery in the Prius he owns. 3 years ago it was $5,300.00. A Toyota dealer did it. Nobody else would touch it.

Then a year later his wives Prius battery crapped out. It's was $5,500.00 at the same Toyota dealer.

With current prices of fuel, he could have gone 70K on that amount of cash.

All in all it was a pretty expensive cheap car.

[Grit_dog]

Michelle.S wrote:
OK, how many EV charging stations has everyone seen where they Camp?? I don't recall a single one. Now I guess if you can use a stand-a-lone charger like an electric Golf Cart you could charge overnite, until CGs catch on and start charging for it.

Cmon Michelle, you know there is very little room for common sense and practicality in an EV discussion....it's mostly rainbows and bunnies and unicorn farts. The latte of which may be needed to power "something" to charge up your dead EV in the middle of the wilderness!

[pianotuna]

Michelle.S wrote:
OK, how many EV charging stations has everyone seen where they Camp?? I don't recall a single one. Now I guess if you can use a stand-a-lone charger like an electric Golf Cart you could charge overnite, until CGs catch on and start charging for it.

A 50 amp pedestal will charge an EV quite nicely. 10 hours @ 12000 watts = 120KWH. Very few ev's have battery banks larger than that.

[Michelle_S]

OK, how many EV charging stations has everyone seen where they Camp?? I don't recall a single one. Now I guess if you can use a stand-a-lone charger like an electric Golf Cart you could charge overnite, until CGs catch on and start charging for it.

[mkirsch]

dodge guy wrote:
Just remember all that money you save in gas will have to be put into a new battery when the time comes! I wouldn’t want that one time fee.

I dunno, that ChrisFix guy on youtube replaced the battery in a Prius and it didn't seem like it was all that bad from a cost standpoint.

[mkirsch]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
#3. In general, towing with an electric car right now really, really sucks. (unless you want to throw a tent in the back of your car and call that camping) (but then again that really, really sucks too) :B

That's also not towing.

[dodge_guy]

Just remember all that money you save in gas will have to be put into a new battery when the time comes! I wouldn’t want that one time fee.

[rjstractor]

pianotuna wrote:
Hi all,

First, I know almost nada about towing.

Kia has come out with the EV6 with an over 300 mile range.

It has a towing capacity of 1600 KG (3527 lb).

Share your thoughts?

Lots of EV towing videos out there. The Fast Lane Truck has done a few. I'm pretty interested in EVs and try to look at them from a science-focused lens. (weird, right?) Bottom line- EVs are considerably more efficient than ICE vehicles when not towing. The downside of that is that a trailer takes exactly the same amount of energy to move it down the road regardless of what's pulling it. It seems counterintuitive, but the result ends up being that the efficiency of an EV while towing is hurt much more than a comparable ICE tow vehicle. Bottom line, figure that the EVs range while towing at capacity will be 1/3 that of its solo range. I've read and watched several EV towing tests that bear this out.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Towing with an electric car.

Here you go. Start at 18 minutes if you want to miss all the towing solo and bla, bla, bla.......

Several bottom lines here
#1. Towing with a small light trailer on a dead flat road not even going the speed limit will use 3 times the power of solo..

#2 When towing you will have to carry a gas gen set with you or you won't make it to a lot of your destinations. (at least if you travel the same roads I travel on vacation)

#3. In general, towing with an electric car right now really, really sucks. (unless you want to throw a tent in the back of your car and call that camping) (but then again that really, really sucks too) :B

Keep in mind this trailer weights under 5K and is more aero than a TT. An average TT I see on the road will use WAAAAAAAAAAY more energy than a horse trailer and does not travel on dead flat roads.

[Grit_dog]

mkirsch wrote:
So what do you want Grit? "It'll explode and disintegrate into a pile of ash if you bring a hitch ball within 6' of it." "Can't tow anything without a crew cab diesel dually."

Can I have my membership card now?

I mean really, though... Anything can tow SOMETHING. Fuel economy goes down any time you hitch something to any tow vehicle. Nothing different here.

I don't want nothin, lol. Just responding to piano's initial trolling post. He asked for us to "share our thoughts."

PS, I gave an honest opinion. Said it obviously has the power to pull, but will be a p!ss poor tow vehicle in general.
What do YOU want? Haha

[thomas201]

Read the thread Rivian Thread

[mkirsch]

So what do you want Grit? "It'll explode and disintegrate into a pile of ash if you bring a hitch ball within 6' of it." "Can't tow anything without a crew cab diesel dually."

Can I have my membership card now?

I mean really, though... Anything can tow SOMETHING. Fuel economy goes down any time you hitch something to any tow vehicle. Nothing different here.