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Chaz59
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Water pressure regulator question , has anyone ever put two water pressure regulators back to back . The reason for the question I have a new Jayco I've had three leaks in the water piping and I'm trying to cut down my pressure . The pressure at my camp maybe surging I'm thinking although it looks to be about 48 most of the time ,I considered buying an adjustable regulator so I could set the pressure but that is 75 bucks I would rather not spend
Charles
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seaeagle2
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Fat finger double post
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seaeagle2
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In theory, Pex crimp joints need to be tested with a go/no go gauge. The low end homeowner pex crimping tool I bought at Home Depot included a go/no go gauge built in. Based on common beliefs on how most RV's are manufactured, I'm sure that we can all agree, they are using that go/no go gauge on every joint.....
2014 F 250 Gasser
2019 Outdoors RV 21RD
"one life, don't blow it", Kona Brewing
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Chaz59
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Yes I did replace with a come washer given to me by the RV dealer 24 hours later no leaking I have my fingers crossed
Charles

myredracer
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Explorer II
Chaz59 wrote:
Well I broke down after all your comments and bought the adjustable Volterra water regulator gauge and guess what I set it at 40 and I still have leaks . I unscrewed the fitting off the back of the toilet they're supposed to be a washer in that fitting I was told there is no washer so I inserted the washer a dealer gave me doesn't appear to be leaking at this time . Now I have one more leak just like it if I can get to it that's the problem . Thanks for all your comments


If it's the fitting at the toilet that is leaking, the fitting that screws onto the toilet valve does not use an ordinary flat hose washer and the fitting and valve need to mate together properly or else. What type of washer were you given? The correct washer is conical shaped. Is the leak at the toilet?

The correct washer looks something like these orange ones. Not sure where to get just the washers but an RV parts place should be able to help. I know that some Qwest RV plumbing fittings (polybutylene) will have them as well as a Qwest shutoff valve. I have a new Qwest valve that doesn't work which I'd gladly send you for free but the shipping cost would be way more than the part is worth. The valve below is what a Qwest valve looks like, for ex. Not sure if the cone washers are available at a plumbing wholesaler. A flat washer *might* work if whatever you are attaching it to has enough of a flat surface around the end of it, at least temporarily.

You think you have a problem? I have a Thetford toilet valve that leaks and I bought a replacement valve and it leaked so I bought another one and it leaks too. :M Took it to an RV repair shop today and he had no idea either and said he would just call Thetford's 1-800 number. I said it was all his to fix and just call me when it's not leaking anymore. I am getting to hate RV toilets....

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Chaz59
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Explorer
Well I broke down after all your comments and bought the adjustable Volterra water regulator gauge and guess what I set it at 40 and I still have leaks . I unscrewed the fitting off the back of the toilet they're supposed to be a washer in that fitting I was told there is no washer so I inserted the washer a dealer gave me doesn't appear to be leaking at this time . Now I have one more leak just like it if I can get to it that's the problem . Thanks for all your comments
Charles

myredracer
Explorer II
Explorer II
RVs are required to be tested to a min. of 100 psi. I found the regulation a few months ago but can't find it at the moment. If anything leaks it's the result of defective workmanship in the factory. If I would suspect anything, it would be the "swivel" fitting connections to the toilet and faucets as these are hand tightened. Two regulators in series won't regulate any better but perhaps *could* help if one failed (to regulate). But, the exterior inline ones have a tiny orifice which can easily plug up from sediment and severely restrict flow and is the usual failure.

PEX fittings cannot possibly loosen over time if they were properly installed. They don't normally use crimp rings, which are made from copper. Pex is usually connected using a cinch clamp. Both a ring and a clamp require the use of a special tool and both are calibrated to ensure the correct pressure when tightened. There is no need to go through an RV and replace fittings with Sharkbite ones. I supposed one could use a cinch clamp tool and check existing clamps. There's no clear answer among plumbing professionals if a clamp or ring is better. I find it hard to believe that copper would be cheaper to install in a house as it's so easy to pull PEX through holes in studs and joists and 90 degree bends can often be avoided. When I was still working in construction, everyone was using PEX in wood frame buildings.

The problem with RV plumbing systems, as well as electrical, is that the factories don't use qualified tradespeople and the work does not get inspected. Our new TT came from the dealer with a kinked PEX line to the bathroom that was 100 percent blocked. A pressure test would not have found this and a test of faucets should have picked this up.

CG/RV park city water pressure can sometimes exceed 100 psi. I installed a recording type gauge and have seen the pressure up to 140 psi so far. Some have reported it getting as high as 200 psi. It is a bad idea not to use a regulator. Pressure can go up overnight sometimes with few users compared to the daytime and you can't be there to watch a gauge overnight.

I installed a Watts regulator under the kitchen sink near the city water inlet. All piping between the regulator and city water inlet (incl. the inlet) are brass and can withstand high pressure. Hose to the CG faucet is a high pressure type. Removed the cheapo check valve in the city water inlet and installed a good brass one. Upon the recommendation of the owner of RVwaterfilterstore.com, I have our regulator set at 65 psi.

I don't like the basic/cheapo/entry level inline exterior regulators. We bought one in the beginning and it failed in under one season.

A plumbing component that could be the most likely to fail is a toilet valve as the owner of the fifth wheel in this vid found out. RV horror story. I installed a main shutoff valve inside so that we can shut off the water if away for any length of time. Toilet valves are really cheap devices and I need to replace ours due to leaking and that's after only 2 seasons.

MKirkland
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Explorer
I was at a campground last august that had a big sign out warning campers of the high water pressure. Sure enough our regulator failed. We had to get a cheapie to get by. I'm glad for this post to remind me to get a better regulator.Thanks.

Jim2007
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Explorer
Hi.When we first started camping 12 years ago we did not use a pressure reducing divice. We did not know we needed one . After two years of camping we did have a problem with to much water pressure that caused the supply hose to balloon . .No damage to the trailer water lines. We did then buy a cheap pressure reducing divice and have used it at hundreds of camp grounds for 10 years with no problem. Jim2007
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rbpru
Explorer II
Explorer II
I suppose one could argue that if you have two cheap regulators and one fails you still have a second one. 🙂

However as already suggested; if I was that worried, I would spend the bucks and by one with a gauge. Fortunately it has never been an issue.
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Lantley
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Sprink-Fitter wrote:
Lantley wrote:
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
Oasisbob wrote:
One may cancel the other. You need to fix the leaks. This is the only real solution my friend. Stop spending your money to compensate for poor quality.


Water only flows one way, how might one cancel the other?

If initial pressure is 80 and 1st regulator cuts pressure to 40 PSI what is the 2nd going to do? Cut it to 20 psi? Nothing at all?
Why have 2?
The better adjustable regulators have a gauge. They are about $50.00 not $75.00. The gauge is the key. It will tell you what the pressure is vs. wondering.
2 of the el cheapo's will not tell give you a display of the actual pressure.


Why do you quote me? I'm not arguing that fact


I am answering/responding to your rhetorical question.
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rbpru
Explorer II
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I am with the group that has the cheap in line water regulator, it does restrict flow compared to my water pump. We have never had an over pressure issue.
Twenty six foot 2010 Dutchmen Lite pulled with a 2011 EcoBoost F-150 4x4.

Just right for Grandpa, Grandma and the dog.

Sprink-Fitter
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Explorer
Lantley wrote:
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
Oasisbob wrote:
One may cancel the other. You need to fix the leaks. This is the only real solution my friend. Stop spending your money to compensate for poor quality.


Water only flows one way, how might one cancel the other?

If initial pressure is 80 and 1st regulator cuts pressure to 40 PSI what is the 2nd going to do? Cut it to 20 psi? Nothing at all?
Why have 2?
The better adjustable regulators have a gauge. They are about $50.00 not $75.00. The gauge is the key. It will tell you what the pressure is vs. wondering.
2 of the el cheapo's will not tell give you a display of the actual pressure.


Why do you quote me? I'm not arguing that fact
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D_E_Bishop
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I'm not too sure about this feeling that Pex is not capable of withstanding high pressure. All of the leaks that I have had have been caused but the faulty installation of those aluminum collars(crimp rings).

It is true that those crimp fittings may loosen due to vibration in a RV but Sharkebite and other fittings are pretty reliable up to and including 120lbs pressure. Pex is used in residential plumbing and has a very high pressure rating.

Our daughters home is a vintage Mid-Century Modern with slab floors and a flat roof, there are four bathrooms and when they had it re-plumbed, the bids for copper re-piping and Pex re-piping were almost identical. The copper pipe and fittings are cheaper overall than Pex but the labor is much more intense.
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Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
Sprink-Fitter wrote:
Oasisbob wrote:
One may cancel the other. You need to fix the leaks. This is the only real solution my friend. Stop spending your money to compensate for poor quality.


Water only flows one way, how might one cancel the other?

If initial pressure is 80 and 1st regulator cuts pressure to 40 PSI what is the 2nd going to do? Cut it to 20 psi? Nothing at all?
Why have 2?
The better adjustable regulators have a gauge. They are about $50.00 not $75.00. The gauge is the key. It will tell you what the pressure is vs. wondering.
2 of the el cheapo's will not tell give you a display of the actual pressure.
19'Duramax w/hips, 2022 Alliance Paradigm 390MP >BD3,r,22" Blackstone
r,RV760 w/BC20,Glow Steps, Enduraplas25,Pedego
BakFlip,RVLock,Prog.50A surge ,Hughes autoformer
Porta Bote 8.0 Nissan, Sailun S637