what gas engine? 2020 F350: 6.2 Gas or 7.3 L Gas?

[LosAngeles]

what gas engine? 2020 F350: 6.2 Gas or 7.3 L Gas?

Hi all

Any guesses as to the increase in price from the 6.2 L gasser to the 7.3 L gasser?

If it was you (and you didn’t want diesel) what engine would you buy? the 6.2 L gasser or the 7.3 L gasser?

Our plan is to custom order a gasser 2020 F350 with just the options we want, and none that we don’t…. and put a 9.5’ Hallmark pop on it full time. No, we will almost never tow anything. We hate towing.

Diesel doesn’t make sense for us, as it adds a ton to the cost, plus weights a *lot* more than the gas engine, so it effectively reduces our max payload.
We also like to go far, far off the beaten path, and those places often don’t have diesel to sell. We dont want to worry about range ever.

I am told that our Hallmark, “wet” could be about 3,000 lbs, or maybe a little less (approximately) so I’ll have the F350 built with a lot of carrying capacity.

So the question comes down to: do we get the tried and true 6.2-liter gas V8, probably around 385 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque (current specs)
or do we spend the extra $ to get the new 7.3-liter pushrod V8.

One unknown variable… the new 10 speed transmission sounds nice… that would be nice to have. I wonder if the 6.2L gasser would even be available with the new 10 speed transmission….. Hmmm…

Thanks…. here is a copy paste of some info, from the internet:

and I quote: …”The base (Super Duty) option is a carryover 6.2-liter gasoline V8, which will likely have output ratings similar to the current model's 385 horsepower and 430 pound-feet of torque.

Next up is an all-new 7.3-liter pushrod V8, claimed to be the most powerful gas engine in Super Duty history.

Finally, there's a new, third-generation 6.7-liter Power Stroke turbodiesel V8. It has a new turbo, new internals and a new 36,000-psi fueling system to deliver power; the outgoing engine was rated for 450 hp and 935 lb-ft.

Those engines now mate to a new 10-speed automatic transmission, which weighs just 3.5 pounds more than and fits into the same physical space as the outgoing six-speed. (The base 6.2-liter engine will still be offered with the six-speed on low-cost trims.)

Ford promises improved efficiency from the new transmission. In addition to the expected Tow/Haul, the 10-speed adds extra driving modes: Slippery, Deep Sand and Snow, and Eco, the last of which feels like a token effort in a heavy-duty pickup truck.”

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[Grit_dog]

It’s like deja voooo. I so feel like I’ve heard this conversation somewhere before..... maybe not. Lol

[burningman]

There is so much more to it than the numbers in the brochure.
It’s true, the diesel engine weight is on the front axle, and the camper weight goes almost entirely on the rear. In the real world, you lose nothing with the diesel, and actually the extra front end weight makes it drive better.
Where you’re being mislead is on the total GVW number. It does seem reasonable to assume that’s a real number from the engineering dept indicating what the truck is safely capable of.
But it isn’t. It’s an arbitrary number slapped on so the truck fits a certain licensing classification.
It’s kind of like how boxers diet and try to weigh in as light as they can to fit lower weight classes even though they’re bigger guys.
There is no camper a gas truck will handle that the same truck with a diesel won’t.
Tire loading is the real limit, and the fronts aren’t taking any significant amount of extra weight from a camper. Sometimes they even lose a little.

[LosAngeles]

Kayteg1 wrote:
When you are applying taxable ratings to physical truck ratings- you are ignoring laws of physics.
When you are applying gross truck payload to TC carrying capacity - you are ignoring laws of physics as with TC you can't use front axle carrying capacity. ... unless you put front platform and move some stuff from TC on it.

OK you win. I'm just 100% wrong, and you are totally right. silly me.

😕

[Kayteg1]

When you are applying taxable ratings to physical truck ratings- you are ignoring laws of physics.
When you are applying gross truck payload to TC carrying capacity - you are ignoring laws of physics as with TC you can't use front axle carrying capacity. ... unless you put front platform and move some stuff from TC on it.

[LosAngeles]

Kayteg1 wrote:

LosAngeles wrote:


Last time I checked the F350 diesel was about 900 lbs heavier than the gasser, if i recall correctly, so that reduced the max payload by that amount. Does not work for us - as that *does* relate to carrying a pop up truck camper. Less max payload.

also we'll get the long bed, biggest cab F350 gasser, so 176" wheelbase. I'm no expert but that strikes me as plenty long, for safe driving.

Our 9.5' truck camper will overhang only 18" over the end of the bed. I think that should be more than fine. .

You still seem to ignore law of physics.
No matter the engine weigh difference, your limiting factor with TC is going to be rear axle rating.
Heavier engine on front can only help in handling, but will have no effect how much of TC you can safely load.

I'm not ignoring anything

but there are many variables.

I suggest you go to Ford.com and alternate between a gasser and diesel... and watch how the MAX PAYLOAD varies a lot.

That is all I am commenting on.

Max Payload is a real issue to watch... with a heavier, loaded Truck Tailer.

[Kayteg1]

LosAngeles wrote:


Last time I checked the F350 diesel was about 900 lbs heavier than the gasser, if i recall correctly, so that reduced the max payload by that amount. Does not work for us - as that *does* relate to carrying a pop up truck camper. Less max payload.

also we'll get the long bed, biggest cab F350 gasser, so 176" wheelbase. I'm no expert but that strikes me as plenty long, for safe driving.

Our 9.5' truck camper will overhang only 18" over the end of the bed. I think that should be more than fine. .

You still seem to ignore law of physics.
No matter the engine weigh difference, your limiting factor with TC is going to be rear axle rating.
Heavier engine on front can only help in handling, but will have no effect how much of TC you can safely load.

[mountainkowboy]

LosAngeles wrote:
what gas engine? 2020 F350: 6.2 Gas or 7.3 L Gas?

Hi all

Any guesses as to the increase in price from the 6.2 L gasser to the 7.3 L gasser?

If it was you (and you didn’t want diesel) what engine would you buy? the 6.2 L gasser or the 7.3 L gasser?

Our plan is to custom order a gasser 2020 F350 with just the options we want, and none that we don’t…. and put a 9.5’ Hallmark pop on it full time. No, we will almost never tow anything. We hate towing.


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I think the 6.2 will be plenty for that light of a TC, might get a little better MPG.

[LosAngeles]

Kayteg1 wrote:

You are repeating common misconceptions here.
It is taxable payload that gaser has couple hundreds lb higher due to lighter engine, but that has nothing to do with carrying TC.
With long TC, who is having COG behind rear axle you can carry heavier camper on diesel, as with gas engine you will not have enough front load for safe driving.
Than gasoline v/s diesel engine is old wisdom.
"Pay me now, or pay me more later". It is a choice.

Last time I checked the F350 diesel was about 900 lbs heavier than the gasser, if i recall correctly, so that reduced the max payload by that amount. Does not work for us - as that *does* relate to carrying a pop up truck camper. Less max payload.

also we'll get the long bed, biggest cab F350 gasser, so 176" wheelbase. I'm no expert but that strikes me as plenty long, for safe driving.

Our 9.5' truck camper will overhang only 18" over the end of the bed. I think that should be more than fine.

There are many variables between gasser and engine.... i myself am not looking at it with old wisdom.... just trying to learn and see the big picture, as it relates to *our* needs and wants. 🙂

it is so great to have these choices. 🙂

just my 1.5c. 😉

I have an open mind... i'm ready to be corrected where I am wrong. 🙂

J.

[Kayteg1]

brholt wrote:


Not sure what you are getting at here.

The payload of the trucks is higher on a gas engine than a diesel engine. If is is important for you to stay under the GVWR of your truck you are going to struggle with a diesel and many of the truck campers out there. Yes, the the diesels CGWR is well north of the 23,500 pound of the gas engine but for a truck camper? We aren't pulling a giant 5th wheel here. Our truck and camper loaded comes in at only 13,700 pounds.

Our personal experience with the 6.2 and the 6 spreed transmission carrying an AF1150 is that we could climb any mountain pass (for example Beartooth or Big Horns in Wyoming) at will and descend without using the brake. They engines may make less power at these altitudes but for a truck camper there is ample power reserve.

Why spend more for a more complicated and expensive engine when the gas works well?

You are repeating common misconceptions here.
It is taxable payload that gaser has couple hundreds lb higher due to lighter engine, but that has nothing to do with carrying TC.
With long TC, who is having COG behind rear axle you can carry heavier camper on diesel, as with gas engine you will not have enough front load for safe driving.
Than gasoline v/s diesel engine is old wisdom.
"Pay me now, or pay me more later". It is a choice.

[LosAngeles]

i just read that the F350 will *all* come with the new 10 speed transmission... i can't even get the older 6 speed. Oh well... that decision is made for me. 😉

J

[brholt]

JTLance wrote:
Funny, given the gigantic payloads of the newer trucks today, it's obvious to me, not deciding to buy a diesel is about not having enough money to afford one vs all the other reasons that people give.

It just seems intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

If money is the reason, then say it.

If not, please list the truck camper that will only work on a gasser. (2019 going forward)

Not sure what you are getting at here.

The payload of the trucks is higher on a gas engine than a diesel engine. If is is important for you to stay under the GVWR of your truck you are going to struggle with a diesel and many of the truck campers out there. Yes, the the diesels CGWR is well north of the 23,500 pound of the gas engine but for a truck camper? We aren't pulling a giant 5th wheel here. Our truck and camper loaded comes in at only 13,700 pounds.

Our personal experience with the 6.2 and the 6 spreed transmission carrying an AF1150 is that we could climb any mountain pass (for example Beartooth or Big Horns in Wyoming) at will and descend without using the brake. They engines may make less power at these altitudes but for a truck camper there is ample power reserve.

Why spend more for a more complicated and expensive engine when the gas works well?

[Kayteg1]

LosAngeles wrote:

Kayteg1 wrote:
Don't buy new models from first year of production.
New design engine and new design transmission. What could go wrong? 😉
Funny you say you don't want to worry about range, yet you are buying gasoline motor 🙂

update - the F350 (longest one made - the one we will get ) - the gasser comes with a 48 gallon tank.

at 12 MPG that is over 550 miles. (and about 300 lbs of gas)

range will be just fine. 🙂

My 2017 F350 has 30 gallons tank.
Good luck on making 12 mpg with camper on dirt roads anyway.
Than "long range" can have different meaning to everybody.
Our diesel sedan makes 800 miles on tank, so driving from Nevada to California I don't have to worry about higher fuel prices.
I just make it there and back without fueling, or maybe with couple cans in the trunk.

[mountainkowboy]

JTLance wrote:
Funny, given the gigantic payloads of the newer trucks today, it's obvious to me, not deciding to buy a diesel is about not having enough money to afford one vs all the other reasons that people give.

It just seems intellectually dishonest to say otherwise.

If money is the reason, then say it.

If not, please list the truck camper that will only work on a gasser. (2019 going forward)

With the present cost of owning a diesel, and it will just keep getting more expensive, a big power gasser makes sense to A LOT of people. Why buy a diesel if you don't max out the trucks numbers? When we travel with TC and tow we gross around 15K-16K. Why do I need a diesel and the expense of one, when the gas engine truck will CLEARLY be cheaper to own, and do a good job? Sure the diesel has more power and gets better fuel MPG, but at a much higher cost these days. Where is the "break even" 100K, 125K, 150K? We average 10K-15K annual miles on the rig, that's 10 years or more before owning a diesel might start to cost less that the gas version. The next truck I buy will be my last and I think that it will long outlast both of us if bought new. My present truck is 30 years old and starting to get long in the tooth, and I want a bigger TC, so I need a stronger truck. Would I like a diesel? Sure! Do I need to have a diesel for my style of RVing? No.

To think that it has to do with money is ludicrous, with the "diesel" package addition of only 5k-7k over the 7.3 gas engine on someone buying a new truck that is 70K+...it's not about the price.

[JD5150]

LosAngeles wrote:

Kayteg1 wrote:
Don't buy new models from first year of production.
New design engine and new design transmission. What could go wrong? 😉
Funny you say you don't want to worry about range, yet you are buying gasoline motor 🙂

update - the F350 (longest one made - the one we will get ) - the gasser comes with a 48 gallon tank.

at 12 MPG that is over 550 miles. (and about 300 lbs of gas)

range will be just fine. 🙂

That's the truck I have and I like my 48 gallon tank. Unloaded I get 12 mpg in town and 14 to high 15 mpg on the highway doing under 70 mph. I don't have a TC yet, don't know the mpg loaded but you are probably spot on 12 mpg loaded with a Hallmark TC

[LosAngeles]

Kayteg1 wrote:
Don't buy new models from first year of production.
New design engine and new design transmission. What could go wrong? 😉
Funny you say you don't want to worry about range, yet you are buying gasoline motor 🙂

update - the F350 (longest one made - the one we will get ) - the gasser comes with a 48 gallon tank.

at 12 MPG that is over 550 miles. (and about 300 lbs of gas)

range will be just fine. 🙂