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Where's the 2020 Ram HD?

GordonThree
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Three years ago give take a few months I bought my 17 2500HD, that was 2016.

Other than stuff from trade shows not seeing anything official from the Italians.

Things running late this year?
2013 KZ Sportsmen Classic 200, 20 ft TT
2020 RAM 1500, 5.7 4x4, 8 speed
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Bionic_Man
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2001400ex wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Honestly wind resistance does matter as my rig is 101" wide and 13' 5" tall. But weight is a biggie as the grade increases.


For sure they both limiting factors. What I'm getting at tho, I've towed an 8,000 pound open trailer with a tractor on it and towed easier than a 6,000 travel trailer. Too many of these tests, they just put weight on an open trailer and there much less wind resistance than a fifth wheel or travel trailer. At lower speeds of course weight is more of a factor. But at 60, wind resistance seems to be the bigger factor.


Agree 100%. I tow the "Ike" several times per year. My 2012 CTD will not maintain the speed limit towing my 12,000 pound 5er. Actually I end up around 40 MPH at the top. Buddy with a 13 Powerstroke pulling a very similar trailer is the same way.
2012 RAM 3500 Laramie Longhorn DRW CC 4x4 Max Tow, Cummins HO, 60 gallon RDS aux fuel tank, Reese 18k Elite hitch
2003 Dodge Ram 3500 QC SB 4x4 Cummins HO NV5600 with Smarty JR, Jacobs EB (sold)
2002 Gulf Stream Sea Hawk 29FRB with Honda EV6010

2001400ex
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Honestly wind resistance does matter as my rig is 101" wide and 13' 5" tall. But weight is a biggie as the grade increases.


For sure they both limiting factors. What I'm getting at tho, I've towed an 8,000 pound open trailer with a tractor on it and towed easier than a 6,000 travel trailer. Too many of these tests, they just put weight on an open trailer and there much less wind resistance than a fifth wheel or travel trailer. At lower speeds of course weight is more of a factor. But at 60, wind resistance seems to be the bigger factor.
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2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
Anderson ultimate fifth wheel hitch

Cummins12V98
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Honestly wind resistance does matter as my rig is 101" wide and 13' 5" tall. But weight is a biggie as the grade increases.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

2001400ex
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!


Well with all this hype about the 10 speed trans I would have thought the GM would have performed MUCH better.
You still don't get it.
Under the test parameters....
Both trucks were pretty much able to achieve a "perfect" score (time). How can either truck do MUCH better?


I do get it, the 30-60 time to get to speed should have been quicker and there were other places that they did not maintain 60.

Waiting on the BIG pull. GM can use the 3.42's for an excuse. Ford and RAM will have 4.10's. They all are SAE rated to pull 35k.

If RAM does not get it's AZZ handed to it what will be said then???


On this test, the Chevy was a 3/4 ton and like 18,000 Max towing. I can't wait until they line up duellies from all three and drop 35k and see what happens. Hopefully using a tall fifth wheel as I find wind resistance more important than weight on drag up a mountain at 60.
2017 Forest River Stealth SA2816
2020 GMC Denali 3500 Duramax
Anderson ultimate fifth wheel hitch

Cummins12V98
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Have NOT reached a conclusion and certainly not in a tizzy. Donโ€™t even know what you drive. Just making observations.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

larry_barnhart
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
"They will weigh them down and see what happens."

YES all equal trucks towing the exact same 35k will be nice to see how they perform. RAM should be the big looser with the OLD SCHOOL trans!



I don't call most truck test a winner or loser. Just different.

chevman
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2019 rockwood 34 ft fifth wheel sold
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Huntindog
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Huntindog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!


Well with all this hype about the 10 speed trans I would have thought the GM would have performed MUCH better.
You still don't get it.
Under the test parameters....
Both trucks were pretty much able to achieve a "perfect" score (time). How can either truck do MUCH better?


I do get it, the 30-60 time to get to speed should have been quicker and there were other places that they did not maintain 60.

Waiting on the BIG pull. GM can use the 3.42's for an excuse. Ford and RAM will have 4.10's. They all are SAE rated to pull 35k.

If RAM does not get it's AZZ handed to it what will be said then???
Ummmm. If you hadn't noticed... I haven't said anything. I just pointed out that you are making a huge leap to a conclusion that may not pan out for you.
The 10 speed really has you in a tizzy.
I find that amusing, as it wasn't a factor in my decision to buy a GM this time.
Huntindog
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17.5LRH commercial tires
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2020 Silverado HighCountry CC DA 4X4 DRW

Grit_dog
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ROFLMAO!!!
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Cummins12V98
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Huntindog wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!


Well with all this hype about the 10 speed trans I would have thought the GM would have performed MUCH better.
You still don't get it.
Under the test parameters....
Both trucks were pretty much able to achieve a "perfect" score (time). How can either truck do MUCH better?


I do get it, the 30-60 time to get to speed should have been quicker and there were other places that they did not maintain 60.

Waiting on the BIG pull. GM can use the 3.42's for an excuse. Ford and RAM will have 4.10's. They all are SAE rated to pull 35k.

If RAM does not get it's AZZ handed to it what will be said then???
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

BillyBob_Jim
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
RAM should be the big looser



I'm pretty sure the big loser is anyone, myself included, who keeps coming back to this thread to see what the next knuckleheaded comment is ROFLMAO.

Huntindog
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Cummins12V98 wrote:
Grit dog wrote:
Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!


Well with all this hype about the 10 speed trans I would have thought the GM would have performed MUCH better.
You still don't get it.
Under the test parameters....
Both trucks were pretty much able to achieve a "perfect" score (time). How can either truck do MUCH better?
Huntindog
100% boondocking
2021 Grand Design Momentum 398M
2 bathrooms, no waiting
104 gal grey, 104 black,158 fresh
FullBodyPaint, 3,8Kaxles, DiscBrakes
17.5LRH commercial tires
1860watts solar,800 AH Battleborn batterys
2020 Silverado HighCountry CC DA 4X4 DRW

Cummins12V98
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"They will weigh them down and see what happens."

YES all equal trucks towing the exact same 35k will be nice to see how they perform. RAM should be the big looser with the OLD SCHOOL trans!
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Cummins12V98
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Grit dog wrote:
Uhhh, who gives a schitt.
I just watched my first Ike towing video ever. Kinda under whelming. Guys wouldn't stfu....anyway, both trucks were identical up the hill straight across tie I think.
Makes sense, litle bigger truck, 10% more tq, little smaller truck little less tq. And they both hammered up the hill at the same speed.

What did I miss?

Worst part of it is I want to live THERE again!


Well with all this hype about the 10 speed trans I would have thought the GM would have performed MUCH better.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

BillyBob_Jim
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Huntindog wrote:
ksss wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
FishOnOne wrote:
mich800 wrote:
Cummins12V98 wrote:
Bionic Man wrote:
Iโ€™m sure at some point you reach dimensioning returns. But it isnโ€™t going from 6 to 8 gears.


Did you see the Ike run GM 10 speed against RAM 6 speed? Sure didnโ€™t shine from what I saw.


The problem is you are basing your analysis on one specific test. In the real world vehicles must perform in a much broader range of scenarios. Just like the phrase you donโ€™t race on a dyno holds true here. Every trip or hill you drive is not pedal to the floor and see how it goes.


Well said... The 10 speed will have more options to select the right gear for the engines power band over various load and terrain situations.

Having said that one could say the 10 speed allowed the Duramax with less torque than the Cummins to equal it's performance up the Ike.


UH why not state FACTS here. RAM 6 tires and heavier.

My analysis is based on my personal experience. Also some of what I have seem.

The GM should have smoked the RAM plain and simple.


And if it had you would have Ditched that the Ram had more tires and was heavier so it was predetermined that the Dmax was first up the hill, which it was anyway, even if it was by a couple seconds. They will weigh them down and see what happens.


We have a winner. Under the test parameters, both trucks were able to pretty much achieve a "perfect score".
How so? Well, that pull is right at 8 miles. And the trucks are not allowed to exceed 60 MPH. So a perfect score would be 8.00 minutes, right? No.
They do not start the timer with the trucks @ 60 MPH. They do it from a 30MPH roll.
This will add time.. It is impossible to say just how much time from the info given.
But it will add time.
Both trucks had areas where they were able to exceed 60 MPH, but they were held back from doing so.

Hopefully in upcoming tests, they will have better matched trucks, and either take the 60 MPH restriction off, or load them up more.

12V is just gonna have to gnash his teeth till then.

It will be interesting to see his response, if his beloved Ram loses then.
Only then can a true winner be determined.

Going for more popcorn now.:B




I am thinking of a running a pool based who is the first to pop a vein out of their forehead, or have a full blown stroke over this foolishness :B