No shots...not getting in.

[garyhaupt]

https://globalnews.ca/news/8013469/unvaccinated-tourists-canada-trudeau-covid/


Gary Haupt

[time2roll]

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/coronavirus-covid19/travel-restri...

[bgum]

pennysmom09 wrote:

bgum wrote:
It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.

It’s not a “personal choice” if you say if you don’t take the shot you cannot go anywhere.

Sure it is you have an either or choice. Having said that I didn't say you can't travel at all I said you couldn't use public transportation. As far as crossing borders their border their rules. Personally I don't think that anyone should be permitted to enter unless they are fully vaccinated. As far as Mexico and Canada open border if fully vaccinated.

[bgum]

Terryallan wrote:

bgum wrote:
It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.

So you are saying your vaccination didn't work? That the covid shot is useless? Because if you have had it, and it works. It doesn't matter if someone beside of you has had it or not. IF it works. You are protected. How are they endangering your health?

That you don't believe it works is the very reason most are not getting it. Why get it, if it doesn't work?

The shot is to keep the crud to a manageable level and keep you out of the hospital not to keep you from getting the crud. Be aware the crud serious or not has shown to cause serious health issues including heart and lungs.

[JaxDad]

PackerBacker wrote:
Please keep the discussion relative to crossing the border for RVing or camping!

Moderators

My apologies to ALL if that was prompted by my comment.

My intention was to point out that it has been proven over & over again that the speed at which people can travel far exceeds the speed at which an infection can manifest itself.

Thus out of an abundance of caution the powers that be have decided it is necessary to slow down the potential spreading by slowing down the travelling.

The latest news on the spreading certainly seems to bear this out.

[Boon_Docker]

As the moderator said:

PackerBacker wrote:
Please keep the discussion relative to crossing the border for RVing or camping!

Moderators

[agesilaus]

If you believe the vaccine results the only people at risk would be other unvaccinated people . With vaccines being widely available the vulnerable made the choice to be that way. I see no reason or obligation on my part to do anything to protect them.

Not quite true, vaccines are not 100.000% effective. The numbers for current vaccines range from 98% down to 67% for the Russian and Chinese vaccines. Even at 98% that means for a million people vaccinated 2% of them did not acquire immunity, that is 20,000 per million or for 100 million vaccinated 2 million are not immune.
That is why all this flap about people getting the plague after getting the shots is just silly.

[wapiticountry]

bgum wrote:
It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.

If you believe the vaccine results the only people at risk would be other unvaccinated people . With vaccines being widely available the vulnerable made the choice to be that way. I see no reason or obligation on my part to do anything to protect them.

[agesilaus]

PackerBacker wrote:
Please keep the discussion relative to crossing the border for RVing or camping!

Moderators

Right back to the subject: Their country, their rules. Don't like it, stay home. I was interested to see that this month's Escapade has three "Going to Alaska' seminars planned.

[Community Alumni]

Please keep the discussion relative to crossing the border for RVing or camping!

Moderators

[JaxDad]

Terryallan wrote:

time2roll wrote:

Terryallan wrote:
Honestly. Shouldn't it be a personal choice?

It is. Best of luck to them without the vaccine.

Agree to a point. But since they lived thru the worst part, and didn't get it. There is a better than good chance they won't and in truth it is 99 percent survivable for most people.
Then there is the ones that did have it and now have immunity because of it. They don't need the vaccine. Or so the doctors say.

Some of the variants are making the original virus look like hay-fever.

It is hop-scotching over double vaccinated folks and previously infected (and recovered) folks like it’s a completely different bug.

[agesilaus]

Terryallan wrote:
Honestly. Shouldn't it be a personal choice? We have had ours. But we weren't forced. Isn't that what freedom is all about. After all, if you are vaccinated, you are safe. Well if it works. So by trying to force others to be vaccinated. Aren't you really saying you don't trust your vaccination?
And if you don't think your vaccination worked, why would you think someone else's did? Them being vaccinated makes you no safer. So why worry about their choice?

I'm not for forcing folks to be vaccinated, especially since herd immunity seems to have been achieved. On the other hand I agree with the policy of no vaccination no school, or if employers demands the jab then no jab no job.
As Eisenhower may have said, the public (he said army) is like a mass of cooked spaghetti, you can't get behind and push you have to get in front an pull. Door to door gestapo inspections aren't pulling.

The idea that your neighbor needs to get the jab to protect you is wrong, if you are worried get the jab yourself and be protected. It doesn't matter what others do. The same hogwash was h tried over forcing people to wear masks.

[Terryallan]

bgum wrote:
It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.

So you are saying your vaccination didn't work? That the covid shot is useless? Because if you have had it, and it works. It doesn't matter if someone beside of you has had it or not. IF it works. You are protected. How are they endangering your health?

That you don't believe it works is the very reason most are not getting it. Why get it, if it doesn't work?

[pennysmom09]

bgum wrote:
It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.

It’s not a “personal choice” if you say if you don’t take the shot you cannot go anywhere.

[Lwiddis]

X2, bgum.

[bgum]

It should be required to travel across borders or on public transportation. No one has the right to endanger the health of others. There will be those who don't get shot because of religion and that is their choice but should not be permitted to travel. Those who can't take the shot due to health also should not travel due to health.
It is all a matter of choice. And it is a personal choice.