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Peso Tanking?

iguana07
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We skipped our annual trip south of the border this year, planning on 2015. I have been reading the peso is dropping in value. Today it is around 15 to 1 U.S.
Causes for the drop are said to be the civil unrest and drop in oil prices.
How is it going to effect the economy?
I usually return home with 5 to 10 thousand pesos every trip, guess it won't be worth what I paid for it.
Hope the issues resolve themselves, don't think the low income Mexicans can handle less buying power.
Chuck n Sandy
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down_home
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MEXICOWANDERER
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It USED TO BE that way. Now with smart phones, a store owner accesses the SHCP/SAT Banxico site while he is sipping coffee and calculating the percentage increase his labeling machine needs to be set at.

I am writing this from a large independent tienda de aborrotes y mercancia so I am a bit familiar with how things operate. Petroleos Mexicanos WILL NOT PERMIT gasoline and other comistibles to be "undervalued" as compared to with they way the fuel has been priced. They will jolt peso cost per liter upward.

Too many folks remember the way this economy USED to work when the peso was weakening. Way the hell and gone too many basic items are imported now, and you can bet your sweet butt, the proveedores have already raised peso prices.

Who suffers are poorer Mexicanos. The most infamous words a shocked traveler utters when his supposed "better values for the dollar" turn out to be empty night (higher peso prices found) "Why, why, why. they CAN'T DO THAT!"

Sure there will be a short delay between the sagging of the currency and imposed price increases but as a guess I would have to say the time lag is like 1.5% of what price increase lag was, back in the 80's.

The peso sagged 22 December 1994. By 1998 people were paying TWICE the price of gasoline IN DOLLARS. The Mexican government has zero accountability to the Mexican population.

I merely wonder how much the peso price of comistibles is going to jump. I would not be surprised to see $4.50 (yeah that's dollars) a (yeah that's gallons) gallon gasoline by the end of February.

4X4Dodger
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You really should be celebrating as your Dollar is buying MORE pesos per dollar and this tends to insulate you somewhat from the inflation that results from buying things in Pesos.

This is GOOD for you unless you make your INCOME in pesos.

Now this does mean that some things in Mexico will be more expensive in Peso terms but not that much.

Keeping hundreds of dollars in pesos when you return to the US is foolish. You are basically betting that the peso will strengthen against the dollar...which is not going to happen.

Use up your pesos on the way back out.

I have spent a good deal of my working life living traveling and working overseas using a multitude of currencies. The Peso is actually one of the better ones....just be thankful you are not using the Lao Kip where $100 get you about 1.2 MILLION Kip, or the Cambodian Reil or the Vietnamese Dong.

The farther down the peso goes in value the more you get for one dollar the cheaper overall it is to travel in Mexico.

MEXICOWANDERER
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The 80's 100 Peso coin is a miracle...

Best doggone table leg shim in existance.

Didn't you love a serious shopping trip where when paying the cashier the register used to show 636, 584 pesos and you spent the entire trip back to your rig running your mental abacus trying to figure out how many dollars that was at an exchange rate of say, 2,248?

Talleyho69
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Unfortunately, there was a limited time when you could exchange old pesos for new. The old ones are now worthless.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Guillermo Ortiz, former head of Banco de Mexico established important policies in the 1990's that are still prayed to, to this day. Ortiz is regarded somewhat as the Alan Greenspan of Mexico's Fed.

POINT: I have read many places about BanXico's "New Policy" of defending the peso by buying pesos with dollar reserves should the exchange rate sag more than 1.5% in a single day. New policy? Shirley you jest. Ortiz instituted the policy in 1998 SIXTEEN YEARS AGO. Not one comma, letter, or number has changed.

Do the compounding math. ONE POINT FOUR PERCENT TIMES TWENTY WORKING DAYS. One point four percent is NOT one point five percent. Well? How much percentage wise did you come up with? This is reality, not hyperbole nor Depends Grade opinion.

Guillermo Ortiz, also formulated a near Constitutional Amendment for Banxico, dollar reserves, and purchasing pesos...to defend the exchange rate.

DO NOT THROW AWAY BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WHEN THE PESO IS UNDER PRESSURE. WAIT UNTIL THE PRESSURE LESSENS, THEN PURCHASE PESOS WITH DOLLAR RESERVES.

The peso can sag, and Banxico will toss in a few hundred millions of dollars in an obligatory public relations grade peso purchase. But the fed will WAIT until the pressure lessens, then feed 300,000,000 dollars into the system, usually between 0500 and 0700 Central Time, then wait. If the three hundred million raises the peso's value and the value remains for a day, the next day Banxico will invest another three hundred million dollars. Such tiny investments can have profound effect on the exchange rate when timing is right. If there was no pressure on the peso today, three hundred million may indeed strengthen the tipo de cambio from 14.50 to 14.10.

But when pressure is on the peso, that investment lasts three minutes and is eaten roots and all without a burp.

I listened to Ortiz in Guadalajara in 2007. He gave a speech at the UNAM university there that was most enlightening. It lasted just under an hour.

MEXICO's CRISIS IS JUST BEGINNING...

Normalization of relations with CUBA is going to lead to HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS of dollars investment for resorts, gaming and entertainment. Check airfares to CANCUN lately? There will be flights. There will be cruises to Habana at TEN PERCENT of the cost of a flight to Cancun. Hotels will cost a fraction of what they do in Cancun. Eighty percent of visitors to Cancun could care less if they are in Mexico or Cuba. But a trip that suddenly costs two thousand dollars first class for a week instead of ten thousand dollars is going to wipe out 70% of Cancun's business. And you better believe the Mexican federal revenue gleaned from Cancun's economy is LIFE OR DEATH for the Mexican economy. An hour and a half flight. Not five hours. Hub at Miami international.

Mexico is in a world of ---- as far as it's revenue potentials are concerned. The government, acting like it has an IQ of 29, made it a lot harder for foreign retirees to gain permanent residence in the country. So more than HALF the potential emigres are now excluded due to inability to meet the two thousand five hundred dollar minimum monthly income requirement. Inability to import their car. Immigration law changes, paperwork hassles.

The most destructive thing on the face of the earth is not ISIS or EBOLA. It is a Mexican federal agency armed with computers and free reign to institute new laws. It's going to get worse. Much much worse. The bureaucracy has just started cracking it's knuckles. When times get tough, I have little doubt Mexico is going to tax foreign income by instituting a FEDERAL IVA on ATM transactions. Yes, they are THAT stupid.

MEXICOWANDERER
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Link To An Ultra Jumbo Size Roll Of Charmin...


My 1972 Master's Thesis concerned Latin American economies, with emphasis on Mexico. In the PDF document above little or no mention is made of the PRIMARY, the FUNDAMENTAL initiator of banking megaquakes...capital flight. Right now, hundreds of billions of pesos are flapping their way north. There, in Texas they burrow in for the duration.

Being a citizen, they can shoot me, but they can't deport me.

The National Anthem, the Mantra of administrative, judicial, and law enforcement Mexico, is...

"What's In It For Me?"

stanbnv
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I have a bunch of old 1 peso coins from the early 1960s that I got in Mazatlan in 1963 when my ship stopped there. Then they were worth 8 1/2 to a dollar. Gave them to my wife to make jewelry with.
Stan & Linda
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dons2346
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We have almost 2 million in old pesos. Guess we could trade them in for current pesos.

silversand
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...I have several pounds of old Mexican coins from ~1990 and earlier era (most, 5 peso coins)...they are decoratively embedded into the wood of my bookshelves' fascia.
Silver
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silversand
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Only a fool would believe the Mexican government. It is about as transparent as the basement of an outhouse...and made up of much the same sort of material.


Mex wanderer: man, you really need to have your own TV show (spoofing Mexico) ! You'd have at least 20 million Mexican viewers. However, It would be better to launch such a venture from the US side of the border.

I don't believe that most on this Forum understand just how profound your underststanding of Mexico really is :B

I can really appreciate your humor. I had a friend (a professor) who taught economics at a well-known university in Mexico for decades (he'd be near 100 years old today), and his humor was very similar.

...at the least, you should publish a book. It'd sell millions.
Silver
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rocmoc
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Yeah we have a few of those old pesos. Maybe they will be collector items someday
and regain 25% of the value :W. :B

rocmoc n AZ/Mexico
rocmoc n Great SouthWest USA

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When I first starting coming the Peso was valued at 12.49 to the dollar. That changed in the 1970's when the political party (PRI) started outright looting of the treasury rather than mere truckloads bound for out of the country.

That 12.49 is now FOURTEEN THOUSAND FOUR HUNDRED to the dollar. Don't confuse yourself with the change to the new peso in 1991. 14,400 to one

ONE THOUSAND ONE HUNDRED FIFTY THREE T-I-M-E-S as weak. Hell the peso was valued at three thousand one hundred to one when the Christmas Surprise happened 22 December 1994.

AFTER the devaluation to date. the peso is worth one third of what it was then.

Accept pesos? Naw, hell, I want Rubles, or Ukrainian, or Venezuelan dinero.

Banamex (Now Banxico) announced to the world 18 December 1994 they had ONE HUNDRED EIGHTY THREE count-em BILLION DOLLARS in currency reserves. Three days later that figure dropped to zero.

Only a fool would believe the Mexican government. It is about as transparent as the basement of an outhouse...and made up of much the same sort of material.

mexicoruss
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Try to spend pesos in the USA.....just sayin....
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