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Stabilize/Strengthen Electric Awning Structure

BlackSilver
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Our 2011 Big Country 5th wheel has an electric awning. As compared to the manual (Dometic) type of awning, the electric style is downright flimsy, and prone to flop around on windy days. This stems from the fact that is lacks the rigid "triangle" support of the manual design. In effect, the roller basically just floats out on the end of the arms, and can easily be "lifted" by the wind.

In a fit of ambition this last week, I have invented an easy DIY solution to the problem. It consists of two sets (one for each end of the roller) of supports. A "top support" of "rafter" which extends for the camper out to the roller, and a "lower support" or "leg" which extends from the roller down to the ground.

The "Rafter"

This assembly consists of two aluminum tubes which telescope one inside the other. The tubes I found were salvaged from a ham radio antenna project. The longer (6 foot) outer tube has an inside diameter of 7/8", and the shorter (4 foot) inner tube has an outside diameter of 3/4 inch. These telescope together nicely, not real snug, but with minimal play.

Other material needed for these rafters:

1) Two ยพโ€ copper caps used for capping off ยพโ€ copper plumbing pipe.
2) Two 5/16โ€ threaded rod 4.5 feet long.
3) Two aluminum โ€œLโ€ brackets, 1โ€x1โ€. (I cut mine off the end of a piece of aluminum angle bracket)
4) Two hose clamps, stolen from a garden hose repair kit.
5) Various nuts and washers.

This first photo shows the two tubes laying on the ground. The top one is a complete tube, and the bottom shows the inner section and the outer section separated.

The outer tube is just a 6-foot section of tube, with a ยผโ€ hole drilled all the way through, ยฝโ€ from one end. (You will see other holes in mine, these are holes that were already in my salvaged material).



The inner section of tubing is an assembly made as follows.

1) Drill a 5/16โ€ hole in the end of the copper pipe caps.
2) Drill a 5/16โ€ hole in one side of each of the L-brackets
3) Using 2 nuts, attach an L-bracket and a pipe cap to one end of each threaded rod.
4) Insert the other end of the threaded rod into the ยพโ€ aluminum tube.
5) Tap the copper cap over the end of the tube until it bottoms out.
6) At the other end of the threaded rod I put a washer between 2 nuts so the rod wouldnโ€™t flop around in there. Slide the two sections together.

The photos below shows how that will look when finished. The end of that L-bracket will fit into the canvas slot on the awning roller.





On the trailer, at the top of the vertical channel, drill a ยผโ€ hole all the way through both sides of the channel, as shown below.



Using a ยผโ€ x 3โ€ pin, attach the assembly to the trailer.



Slide the lower section of the assembly out and insert the L-bracket into the awning roller into the slot at the end of the canvas.



Extend the lower section until the awning fabric is taut, then secure it at that length with a hose clamp.



Repeat at the other end of the awning.

The upright "Legs"

Again there are two assemblies, one for each end of the awning roller. These are fabricated from 1-1/2" x 1/8' alumininum angle stock from Home Depot. Each leg has two sections, and upper and a lower. For the top section I used a 3 foot length, and for the lower section I used a 6-1/2 foot length (cut from an 8 foot purchased length). All the small parts in the assembly come from that 18-inch cutoff.) I used 1/4" hardware (screws, nuts, lock washers throughout --- I suppose you could also assemble using pop-rivets.

The next photo shows the two sections for one leg.



on the bottom (long section) I made a 5" foot with 5/16" holes for metal "nail" stakes.



n the top section I fabricated a cradle with a 2-3/4โ€ inside width.



At the outer end of the factory "U-channel" support, about 2-inches from the end of the arm, drill a 1/4" hole completely through both sides of the arm. Place this hole as near the bottom of the "U" as practical. (Be careful --- one end (usually the front) will have 12-volt wiring for the awning motor)

Using a 1/4 x 3-inch pin, connect the cradle to the arm.



Then, using 2 small "C" clamps (I got mine at Home Depot), adjust and attach the longer lower section of the leg. The leg can slant "to taste" as shown, or be installed vertical to the ground, as desired.

Hans, Kร˜HB & Colleen, Kร˜CKB
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy
Heartland Big Country camping trailer
3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie
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BarneyS
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I agree with Mike-s above. Nice modification and good post with the included pictures! I think it will be helpful to many members. Ignore those who think they have something better and try to belittle your work.
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BlackSilver
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mike-s wrote:
BlackSilver wrote:
Wow! I think I just got scolded! Ain't he special, folks!
You need to consider the source. You obviously put a lot of work into fortifying your awning. If it works for you, good job. Ignore the (non-special) troll.


Thanks! Appreciate your comments.
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Master Chief Radioman, US Navy
Heartland Big Country camping trailer
3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie

mike-s
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BlackSilver wrote:
Wow! I think I just got scolded! Ain't he special, folks!
You need to consider the source. You obviously put a lot of work into fortifying your awning. If it works for you, good job. Ignore the (non-special) troll.

BlackSilver
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imgoin4it wrote:
I saw an standard manual awning that was extended and anchored down into the ground literally ripped off the coach by a dust devil. Awning arms were broken but still anchored and awning was left in pieces. There is no way to fix or anchor any awning to withstand the wind that day. I retract my awning when away from coach and when it's windy.


Very smart habit.

If winds above about 30-35MPH are forecast/likely, I also retract my awning, manual or electric. But it's now nice to not need to pull the "Arizona Patio" apart for every little gusty breeze that pops up.
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3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie

BlackSilver
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4x4van wrote:
Wow, tough crowd (SoundGuy, at least). While the Dometic 9100 power awning is certainly a nice unit, and arguably stronger than the carefree power awning, it still lacks the full triangular form factor that manual awnings have, and so would certainly fall short of that standard. Arguing that the strength/rigidity problem is simply that of brand is oversimplifying the issue.

To the OP; for someone who has a similar awning, your setup is certainly another cost effective way to increase the strength and rigidity of it (adding to the options in the link that ependydad provided) without the huge cost of replacing it with a different awning. Kudos.


Thanks!!!

Hans, Kร˜HB & Colleen, Kร˜CKB
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy
Heartland Big Country camping trailer
3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie

BlackSilver
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SoundGuy wrote:
BlackSilver wrote:
A few points for you.....

As I pointed out, I thought my older Dometic product was strong and well designed.


Agree, but your wording suggested Dometic only offers manual awnings which is not the case at all. The Dometic 9100 power awning, which I own, is also well designed ... your problem isn't so much manual or power, it's the fact this awning which you've now modded is a poorly designed, lightweight Carefree of Colorado product.

Yes, it's a Carefree product, and as I pointed out, the design is structurally weak.


Which you did not identify by brand in your original post. I repeat, the problem isn't the fact you have a power awning vs a manual but the fact it's a Carefree rather than a Dometic.

Whatever the "manufacturer intended", we prefer not to tear that space apart for every passing breeze, so I cobbled together something to compensate for the weakness in his "intention".


Exactly my point - if your awning was well designed you wouldn't have to "cobble together" anything, just use it as intended. If this is such a problem for you the better solution would have been to return to using a manual Dometic 8500 which because of it's design offers the best in durability in dealing with wind and rain, particularly if equipped with de-flappers. Hey "cobble away" if you can't accept your awning's limitations, I'm just pointing out that it's unnecessary if you use it as the manufacturer intended.


Couple of final points before I start ignoring your unsolicited tirades about my "choices" and "manufacturers intentions".

(1) My DIY solution cost me about $70.00 out of pocket. Ripping the awning down and replacing with a manual product would cost several hundred dollars.

(2) I was mistaken. The awning is not a Carefree. It's a Dometic. And it's still flimsy. But I fixed the flimsy part.
Hans, Kร˜HB & Colleen, Kร˜CKB
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy
Heartland Big Country camping trailer
3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie

4x4van
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Wow, tough crowd (SoundGuy, at least). While the Dometic 9100 power awning is certainly a nice unit, and arguably stronger than the carefree power awning, it still lacks the full triangular form factor that manual awnings have, and so would certainly fall short of that standard. Arguing that the strength/rigidity problem is simply that of brand is oversimplifying the issue.

To the OP; for someone who has a similar awning, your setup is certainly another cost effective way to increase the strength and rigidity of it (adding to the options in the link that ependydad provided) without the huge cost of replacing it with a different awning. Kudos.
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imgoin4it
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I saw an standard manual awning that was extended and anchored down into the ground literally ripped off the coach by a dust devil. Awning arms were broken but still anchored and awning was left in pieces. There is no way to fix or anchor any awning to withstand the wind that day. I retract my awning when away from coach and when it's windy.
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SoundGuy
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BlackSilver wrote:
A few points for you.....

As I pointed out, I thought my older Dometic product was strong and well designed.


Agree, but your wording suggested Dometic only offers manual awnings which is not the case at all. The Dometic 9100 power awning, which I own, is also well designed ... your problem isn't so much manual or power, it's the fact this awning which you've now modded is a poorly designed, lightweight Carefree of Colorado product.

Yes, it's a Carefree product, and as I pointed out, the design is structurally weak.


Which you did not identify by brand in your original post. I repeat, the problem isn't the fact you have a power awning vs a manual but the fact it's a Carefree rather than a Dometic.

Whatever the "manufacturer intended", we prefer not to tear that space apart for every passing breeze, so I cobbled together something to compensate for the weakness in his "intention".


Exactly my point - if your awning was well designed you wouldn't have to "cobble together" anything, just use it as intended. If this is such a problem for you the better solution would have been to return to using a manual Dometic 8500 which because of it's design offers the best in durability in dealing with wind and rain, particularly if equipped with de-flappers. Hey "cobble away" if you can't accept your awning's limitations, I'm just pointing out that it's unnecessary if you use it as the manufacturer intended.
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BlackSilver
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SoundGuy wrote:


(1) What's this got to do with Dometic which manufactures an extensive variety of RV awnings, both power and manual.

(2) If yours is a Carefree of Colorado power awning (which you haven't said), that's your biggest problem - it blows around excessively because it's an inferior design.

(3) Sorry, but there's no way I'd consider this mod to my current 9100 power awning when the simple solution is to just push the button when the wind comes up and in seconds have it safely stored, just as the manufacturer intended.


Wow! I think I just got scolded! Ain't he special, folks!

A few points for you.....

(1) As I pointed out, I thought my older Dometic product was strong and well designed.

(2) Yes, it's a Carefree product, and as I pointed out, the design is structurally weak.

(3) We are snowbirds, spending 4-5 months in an Arizona resort each winter. Our patio, complete with sunscreens, becomes part of our living space. Whatever the "manufacturer intended", we prefer not to tear that space apart for every passing breeze, so I cobbled together something to compensate for the weakness in his "intention".

I took the time to post the description for others who might have been looking for a similar solution. Others, like you, will have no interest whatsoever in my project. Most of them just scrolled past without the negativity.
Hans, Kร˜HB & Colleen, Kร˜CKB
Master Chief Radioman, US Navy
Heartland Big Country camping trailer
3500HD Silverado Big Dooley LTZ Go-power by Max & Allie

ependydad
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I am a fan of supporting and tying down my awning. Yes, it's power and easily retracted- but not having to retract it at the slightest wind or rain or overnight is incredibly nice. We can setup our patio and keep it setup for the most part.

I had a couple of friends who made awning support poles. Theirs were pretty ingenious in that they were self-storing on the awning arms.

Using the poles, I've had my awning out into 30mph winds. Honestly, if the forecast is 25mph or above, I do stow it. But I've gotten caught with my pants down a time or two and missed my window of opportunity.

Here's how we did it:
http://learntorv.com/power-awning-support-poles/
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SoundGuy
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BlackSilver wrote:
Our 2011 Big Country 5th wheel has an electric awning. As compared to the manual (Dometic) type of awning, the electric style is downright flimsy, and prone to flop around on windy days. This stems from the fact that is lacks the rigid "triangle" support of the manual design. In effect, the roller basically just floats out on the end of the arms, and can easily be "lifted" by the wind.


What's this got to do with Dometic which manufactures an extensive variety of RV awnings, both power and manual. :h If yours is a Carefree of Colorado power awning (which you haven't said), that's your biggest problem - it blows around excessively because it's an inferior design. :M I've owned both brands, both manual and power, and have no issues at all with my Dometic 9100 power awning and would store it anytime the wind comes up just as I would have any manual awning, including my previous Dometic 8500 manual awning which IMO was the best of the bunch in terms of tolerating heavy rain & wind. Sorry, but there's no way I'd consider this mod to my current 9100 power awning when the simple solution is to just push the button when the wind comes up and in seconds have it safely stored, just as the manufacturer intended. ๐Ÿ˜‰
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