2017 f250 towing fifth wheel

[Keith_P]

I have a 2017 F250 Single wheel and am looking to get a toy hauler. Truck is a crew cab short bed and will have a B&W slider hitch. Im new to fifth wheel rv's and was lookin a suggestion on what size to get. Id like to have a separate garage if possible. Again I'm new to this so any help would be helpful.

truck info
2017 F250 crew cab short bed 4x4
heavy duty tow package 10;000lb gvw
3.55 gears

[Quantum82]

CampingN.C. wrote:


So you're saying that he'd be maxed out with a trailer with an unloaded weight of 6200lbs ? Funny, looking up the specs of your trailer, yours is labeled at 6160lbs per Jayco's website.

Please explain to me how a F250 would be maxed out pulling the same trailer you currently pull with an F150 ? :h

I thought the OP was looking at 5th wheels (25% tongue weight)....my Jayco 28BHKS is a travel trailer.

Tongue weight of a travel trailer is 10-15% (mine is about 13%)

If I was towing a 5th wheel....I agree, my F150 would be WAY OVER capacity! 🙂

[CampingN_C_]

Keith P wrote:
So would a XLR nitro 35VL5 be in consideration?
says UVW is 12,675 and hitch weight is 2.579

That's almost identical to the one I just bought minus the front slide, mine has a kitchen slide and a generator. (highly recommend by the way). The weights are very close. My truck squatted one inch. I had installed air bags prior to buying the camper thinking I'd need them but I may be taking them off now. You truck, being aluminum should be a few pounds lighter on the rear axle than mine and most, leaving you more capacity.

Not only do I believe you'll be fine, I think you'll be within you numbers as well.

[Keith_P]

So would a XLR nitro 35VL5 be in consideration?
says UVW is 12,675 and hitch weight is 2.579

[MFL]

A toy hauler typically has a heavier pin than a normal FW. The reason being to offset the weight in the rear garage. The TH will be closer to 25 percent of loaded weight. You already know to weigh your trucks rear axle, with truck loaded to hook up and go. If the R axle weighs 3,340 lbs, with hitch weight added, you'll have 3,000 left for pin wt. This means that at 25 percent, you could hook up to a loaded to go TH weighing 12,000 lbs.

We don't know what you will put in the garage, or in the rest of the TH. The pin wt can change accordingly, and no one knows without weighing the loaded TH too.

I would say you could buy a TH with a GVWR of 14,000, but not load it to the max, or to stay completely safe, buy one with only 12,500 GVWR, that you can load to the max.

Lots of opinions on a forum, and they will vary.

Jerry

[Keith_P]

So looking at the sticker this morning
Front Gawr : 6,000lb
Rear Gawr : 6,340lb
Gvwr : 10,000lb

Tires are rated for 3,860lb each

With that being said what weight unit should I be looking. Or what should my first steps be to figure it out. Ive had a lot of info thrown at me and starting to get a little confused. Sorry I know I'm a newbie and this is simple for some but want to make sure I do it right.

[Keith_P]

ill have to get the sticker info tomorrow as I'm at work tonight. but this is great info thanks

[MFL]

The yellow door sticker on an F250 is nothing more than the weight it left the factory, minus the 10,000 class 2 GVWR. For this reason, the 10K number has little meaning, and most FW haulers go by the RAWR, which is more real world, figuring the tire/wheel, and spring ratings. Still some 250s/350s are identical, even axles, tires/wheels, and springs.

Jerry

[OH48Lt]

I had a 2005 F250 6.0 crew cab with the 6'9" bed. Towed my 33' KZ 5ver toy hauler just fine out to the left coast and back several times, loaded with 2 heavy ATV's or 2 big Harleys. 5ver weight was over 13K. Like yours, it also had the 10K GVWR package with the snow plow package. Installed a pair of Timbrens on the rear. A very capable and stable towing platform. Don't listen to the "you need a F350 dually or bumper pull trailer".

The hitch I used was a Reese 16k slider, weight was 147 lbs, according to Reese. Only used the slider feature twice, and both times I really didn't need it, just made things a bit easier.

Even towed a heavy 41' triple slide once from southern Ohio to the Michigan border. No sweat. Rear bumper went down just over an inch.

You've got plenty of truck there, as long as you don't go too crazy on the trailer weight.

[CampingN_C_]

Quantum82 wrote:
How much payload does your truck have? Look at the yellow sticker on your door jamb. My guess...and F250 will have between 2200-3000lbs of payload depending on how your truck is optioned. Since most people like "goodies" most are around 2500lbs.

A fiver have a typical pin weight of 25% ???

2500lbs payload - occupants - hitch - cargo in the truck = 1800lbs??

1800/0.25 = 7200lbs trailer...wet and loaded for travel, which means a 6200lbs UVW trailer.

If you want a toyhauler 5th wheel, you're going to need an F350 to do it.

These calcs are all assumptions, but they can be firmed up if you provide us the actual payload your truck has, based on the yellow sticker on your door jamb. Every truck is different, that's why they put the sticker on the door.

So you're saying that he'd be maxed out with a trailer with an unloaded weight of 6200lbs ? Funny, looking up the specs of your trailer, yours is labeled at 6160lbs per Jayco's website.

Please explain to me how a F250 would be maxed out pulling the same trailer you currently pull with an F150 ? :h

[Quantum82]

How much payload does your truck have? Look at the yellow sticker on your door jamb. My guess...and F250 will have between 2200-3000lbs of payload depending on how your truck is optioned. Since most people like "goodies" most are around 2500lbs.

A fiver have a typical pin weight of 25% ???

2500lbs payload - occupants - hitch - cargo in the truck = 1800lbs??

1800/0.25 = 7200lbs trailer...wet and loaded for travel, which means a 6200lbs UVW trailer.

If you want a toyhauler 5th wheel, you're going to need an F350 to do it.

These calcs are all assumptions, but they can be firmed up if you provide us the actual payload your truck has, based on the yellow sticker on your door jamb. Every truck is different, that's why they put the sticker on the door.

[IdaD]

CampingN.C. wrote:
Welcome to the forum and congrats on the new camper. One of the first things you'll learn on here is that there's two crowds of people.

One that thinks if you go one pound over any of your weight ratings your truck will fall apart and you'll be sued before you can get to the first stop light. They will tell you you're crazy for looking at 5th wheels with a 250 and that you're a fool for not buying a dually.

Then there are those of us that know current class 2 trucks (F250) are a very capable truck and built almost entirely identical to a F350 single wheel. This crowd will care much more about the RAWR and tire ratings on a truck and not the "payload' rating. Your truck will gross out at 10K like every other 250/2500 regardless of make, engine or options. This 10k limit is an arbitrary number established by the government.

Personally I would tell you to keep your shopping to units with no more than 3000lb LOADED pin weight. I just purchased a 13000lb toyhauler with roughly 2800ln pin weight and my truck squatted exaclty one inch.

If you shop strictly on your available payload per door sticker you'll be all but limited to large travel trailers and very small 5th wheels.

x2

Payload rating is meaningless on diesel 3/4 tons. OP, stick to your axle and tire ratings and you'll be golden and completely legal.

[Keith_P]

Not sure on heavy duty service package ill have to check. I know it has some sort of heavy duty tow package. came with the 3" hitch in the back and overload springs and such. think they mentioned something about the front springs being heavy duty for snow plow or something? Ive tried to ask my salesman some questions but all he does is quote whats online so I don't know

[CampingN_C_]

N-Trouble wrote:

donn0128 wrote:
What ever you get keep the GVWR under about 12,000 pounds. Otherwise you will be overloading your truck. Length is immaterial weight is.

^^THIS^^

Dont listen to the “get a bumper pull” nonsense.

Exactly, If I went by payload alone, with my other Jayco, some firewood and a 4 wheeler I'd be 'overweight'.

[N-Trouble]

donn0128 wrote:
What ever you get keep the GVWR under about 12,000 pounds. Otherwise you will be overloading your truck. Length is immaterial weight is.

^^THIS^^

Dont listen to the “get a bumper pull” nonsense.

[JIMNLIN]

Keith P wrote:
the tires are F (127Q) rated and and say 3860 @ 80psi

Fords OEM 18" and 20" wheels are rated 3590 lb capacity or 7180 lb capacity.
The '17 F250 has a 6390 rawr good for 3000-3200 lbs in the bed all depending on your trucks actual scaled rear axle weights.

A trucks RAWR includes tires/wheels and rear spring pack ratings.

If your F250 has the camper package or heavy service package it has the same 7230 rawr tire/wheel and spring packs as the F350 SRW trucks.