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Fly in the ointment

NorthwestBound
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So, not gonna rehash the whole store, just that ive been trying to get into a 5ver with a small budget but cant get past the hitch.

Needless to say, the hitch installation was never completed because i could not find a way to install the spacers due to the location of the rail holes in a crossmember.

So i took the truck to a local expert who put it up on a lift and inspected the install. Thats where the concern turned from spacers to frame brackets.

Once on the lift, we could see that the brackets installed by the previous owner was an accident waiting to happen.

The previous owner had welded on the universal brackets to the frame, and did a rather fair job on the front brackets. However, once on the lift, we could see that he had cut the rear brackets short and then welded them to the top of the frame. Holy ****!!!! Frome looking from the outside it appeared to be a full bracket welded onto the inside of the frame.

So, heres what im thinking. First, the installed hitch is too far forward. Reese says 28 5/16 from the rear and mine is at almost 33. I may order the reese brackets 50040, bolt them in place and relocate the position of the rails to a more centered location and leave the welded brackets on the frame.

So 4 questions:
Will the current location of the hitch be a big problem?

Has anyone used the 50040 bracket and do you have a pic of it installed?

Can you grind off these brackets without weakening the frame if they are in the way of installing bracket 50040?

What other options may i have?

Im running real low on funds for this project so i could use some budget minded advice. Thanks in advance.

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rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
NorthwestBound wrote:
Im gonna do this later today. Do you have any issues reaching the handle when connected?


I have a 2500, and am 6' tall not an issue from the ground, I also have wheel well to wheel well running boards, so if needed I can stand on them.
PS: Were the DW's request, I was so happy, as the step in for me was also tall!!!
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NorthwestBound
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Explorer
Im gonna do this later today. Do you have any issues reaching the handle when connected?

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
Me Again wrote:
He cut off about half of it and reinstalled the outer end with the grip. Russ however gets low points on keeping his truck bed clean!!!

Chris


There are a lot of tree where I live, what can I say! ๐Ÿ™‚

I cut it off just after he bend up, don't think it really took more than ten minutes.
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

Me_Again
Explorer II
Explorer II
He cut off about half of it and reinstalled the outer end with the grip. Russ however gets low points on keeping his truck bed clean!!!

Chris
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

NorthwestBound
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How do you get the rise out of the handle?

rhagfo
Explorer III
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NorthwestBound wrote:
Thanks for the input on the spacers. I did the uninstall, cut of the old welded on brackets and then installed the Reese 50040 kit.

Wasnt too hard, need a second pair of hands to bolt up the brackets tho.

My bedliner looks like **** but oh well, form over finish.

I went a different route with the spacers. While you slid them inside the crossmember, a video online shows drillng a bigger hole and dropping them into the crossmember. I chose to just run the bolt up from the bottom inside the crossmember, nut and washer on the top, eliminating the spaacer altogether.

I feel more comfortable with this kit installed. It was way to easy to cut those brackets. There was very poor penetration on those welds.

Safety first! Im just glad i can move on and begin searching for 5th wheel now.


Let me make a suggestion on that Reese Twin Jaw hitch, take the rise out of the release handle, I noticed a scuff on mine and 10 minutes later it looked like this!

Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

NorthwestBound
Explorer
Explorer
I cut the bedliner originally in just the outline of the rails and it looked pretty good. But with the new kit installed, it relocated the rails to the proper position over the rear axle. So far that it looked even worse, so i just took out the small inner section that was left.

NorthwestBound
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Yep, thats the plan.

Me_Again
Explorer II
Explorer II
NorthwestBound wrote:

My bedliner looks like **** but oh well, form over finish.



I once cut a drop in liner for 5th wheel rails! Never again! Cr@p kept getting under the liner!

Start saving to have the extra holes filled and a spray in liner done.

Chris
2021 F150 2.7 Ecoboost - Summer Home 2017 Bighorn 3575el. Can Am Spyder RT-L Chrome, Kawasaki KRX1000. Retired and enjoying it! RIP DW 07-05-2021

NorthwestBound
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks for the input on the spacers. I did the uninstall, cut of the old welded on brackets and then installed the Reese 50040 kit.

Wasnt too hard, need a second pair of hands to bolt up the brackets tho.

My bedliner looks like **** but oh well, form over finish.

I went a different route with the spacers. While you slid them inside the crossmember, a video online shows drillng a bigger hole and dropping them into the crossmember. I chose to just run the bolt up from the bottom inside the crossmember, nut and washer on the top, eliminating the spaacer altogether.

I feel more comfortable with this kit installed. It was way to easy to cut those brackets. There was very poor penetration on those welds.

Safety first! Im just glad i can move on and begin searching for 5th wheel now.

Durb
Explorer
Explorer
I installed similar Curt brand brackets on my 04 Dodge by myself. When properly positioned two bolts go through the hat section bed brace and need spacers inside to keep it from collapsing. At first sight with limited access this looks to be impossible. I ended up positioning the spacers at an angle with a loop of mason's twine. Then I used a pointed pry bar to snap the spacers in place. First one took 45 minutes to figure it out, second took 2 minutes to install. I was pretty irritated that they offered no guidance in the instructions to install the spacers. 120 minute install time was closer to 6 hours for me. If I needed it done over again I would find a lift or pay for it.

NorthwestBound
Explorer
Explorer
Thanks guys. Aftet the initial anxiety attack subsided I ordered the Reese 50040 kit without the rails. This should relocate the hitch to the proper location and give me a little more peace of mind. Etrailer had it for $260 but got it for $197 and free shipping on Jet.

Sport45
Explorer II
Explorer II
I wouldn't call the installation "unsafe" just yet. It apparently served the original owner just fine. Very few would go to the trouble of using full penetration welds for attachments like this. A one-side fillet weld can be plenty strong enough. As far as weakening the frame by grinding it off? No problem. If the frame was weakened it happened when the weld was made. Grinding it off will have no affect on the strength remaining.

I agree with the others. Just have your welder do what's necessary to get the new brackets where they need to be.
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SanMarMor
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You can grind off the old brackets,M down to the parent material, just don't grind into the original frame material.
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