Is there really a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel?

[Hornnumb2]

Just got rid of my bumper pull and would like to do fifth wheel but the weights look over what I would expect.

[thomas201]

Oldguy is right. I have the Wildcat version of the Cougar. I had a 2011 Silverado that was set up with the 5.3 and 3.73 gears, along with the towing package. It was a standard bed and rated for a 9600 pound trailer. Trailer was a new 2011 Wildcat.

Over the Cat scales at Flying J exit 2 in Jersey with a full freshwater tank, and loaded for a long camping trip:

Truck only:
Front 3320
Rear 2360
Gross 5680

Truck & Trailer:
Front 3180
Rear 3740
Trailer 8000
Gross 14920

Calculated:
Truck 6920
Pin 1240
Trailer 9240

So, with the truck rated at 7000, and the combined at 15000 and the trailer at 9600, I ain’t no bricks shy of a full load. I had 80# to spare! It was OK by the book, but the towing experience was poor. I ran out of power, and overheated the engine with strong winds and 105 temperatures crossing the plains. New trucks rated under the SAE standard might tow at max just fine, but maybe not?? I bought a 3/4 ton and now love towing the 5er.

[valhalla360]

HadEnough wrote:
Why don't they move the wheels forward a bit on 5th wheels, better balancing the trailer out and reducing pin weight?

When I distribute the load in my little cargo trailer, I keep the tongue weight down a bit.

Light tongue/pin weights result in handling problems.

Now if you are pulling a 1000lb cargo trailer, a 6000lb 1/2ton can muscle thru and you likely don't notice that it's not a good setup.

The big reason 5th wheels tow better than bumper pulls even without the weight distributing hitch, sway control and other add ons, is they put more weight on the trucks rear axle and keep it planted.

[rhagfo]

twodownzero wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

crcr wrote:
I've seen substantial size 5th wheels towed by half tons. They were clearly way beyond their payload rating, but they hid that fact with air bags to keep the truck level. If I see such a rig on the highway, I try to avoid being anywhere near them!

Not all long 5er are heavy.

It's the pin weight that is the problem.

I suspect there's a 24 foot 5er out there that might be somewhat safe with a 1/2 ton, but personally, I do not tow anything of substantial weight or regularly with any semi floating (rear) axle.

Nor do I, But that said there are many F150 Max/Max that have more available payload than some diesel 3/4 tons. Not saying that the 3/4 ton is not far more capable, just the way the class numbers work out.
We see many 1/2 tons carrying/pulling 5ers, most sit level and most while they look big on the outside are not that heavy.
I will also state that a 1/2 tom pulling a 30'+ 5er as long as they have enough tire on them, is far safe and far more stable than that same 1/2 ton towing a 30'+ TT, far less tail wagging the dog.
I worry more about those that feel they can carry/pull a 16,000#+ 5er with a 3/4 ton truck, paying no attention to tire capacity.

[HadEnough]

Why don't they move the wheels forward a bit on 5th wheels, better balancing the trailer out and reducing pin weight?

When I distribute the load in my little cargo trailer, I keep the tongue weight down a bit.

[2112]

Hornnumb2, Are you by chance the person from Beach City I was talking to at Bucees a few weeks ago? Same area, same discussion, coincidence?

It depends on the truck. I barely stay within my numbers with 2000lb payload. You will have a little more wiggle room with your 2500HD because of the 6000lb rear axle. My rear axle is rated for 4200lb and I'm right at it.

This is my FW but I do not have the linen closet slide in the bedroom
https://www.kz-rv.com/2018-products/durango-1500-fifth-wheels/2018-D277RLT.html. The linen closet slide adds about 200lbs to the pin weight.

CAT weights ready to camp with DW and myself in the cab. Waste tanks are empty and about 10 gallons of fresh water.



What throws my rear axle weight WAY OVER max is towing with both waste tanks full.


CAT weights with camper disconnected

[valhalla360]

Problem isn't on the trailer, it's the truck.

Payload is typically the limiting factor for any truck pulling a 5th wheel.

1/2 ton truck payloads can vary from as little as 1200lb to over 2500lb.

Assuming a small 6000lb 5th wheel (fully loaded) with 20-25% pin weight, the pin weight is going to be 1200-1500lb...even at the low end, add in a 150lb driver and the truck is over the limit.

With the "heavy duty 1/2 ton", a smallish 9000lb (fully loaded) 5th wheel might have a pin weight of 2000lb, leaving 500lb for people and cargo in the truck....still fairly limited but doable.

[twodownzero]

rhagfo wrote:

crcr wrote:
I've seen substantial size 5th wheels towed by half tons. They were clearly way beyond their payload rating, but they hid that fact with air bags to keep the truck level. If I see such a rig on the highway, I try to avoid being anywhere near them!

Not all long 5er are heavy.

It's the pin weight that is the problem.

I suspect there's a 24 foot 5er out there that might be somewhat safe with a 1/2 ton, but personally, I do not tow anything of substantial weight or regularly with any semi floating (rear) axle.

[rhagfo]

crcr wrote:
I've seen substantial size 5th wheels towed by half tons. They were clearly way beyond their payload rating, but they hid that fact with air bags to keep the truck level. If I see such a rig on the highway, I try to avoid being anywhere near them!

Not all long 5er are heavy.

[old_guy]

cougar made one. that was about 5 or 6 years ago. don't know if they still do

[GWolfe]

azdryheat wrote:
Winnebago makes a 7,700 GVWR Micro Minnie 5th wheel.

I think this is the one you are talking about. I think it could be towed by many properly equipped 1/2 tons.

Micro Minnie

[JIMNLIN]

Is there really a 1/2 ton towable fifth wheel?

yep.... their out here here one clicky...however 1/2 ton trucks have had gvwr's up to 8600 lbs and 6k RAWR for carrying 3k payloads in the bed.
Some replies indicate they need to educate themselves better on the different sizes of 1/2 ton trucks and their mechanical abilities.

Now if your looking for a 5th wheel trailer for your 2500 GM truck in sig then your looking at 5ers up to around 12k gross.

[time2roll]

philh wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLShDWXctVQ

[philh]

[goducks10]

Lots of 5th wheels that can be towed by 1/2 ton trucks if the 5th wheel is empty.

[crcr]

I've seen substantial size 5th wheels towed by half tons. They were clearly way beyond their payload rating, but they hid that fact with air bags to keep the truck level. If I see such a rig on the highway, I try to avoid being anywhere near them!