Towing Cyclone 4100 King

[Boudreaux]

I’m picking up my Cyclone 4100 King Friday. 2 of my buddies told me I will not have any problem pulling it. I have a 2011 Ram 2500 4x4 diesel. A guy I work with pulls his 40’ Raptor with his 2007 Chevy 2500 with no problem. I will be pulling in Louisiana and may do the Disney World thing I’m sure. Did I over load my truc for my first camper?

[crazybanshee]

Our 4012 Cyclone has a pin of #4300 loaded for the road.

[MadMav]

You will be 1000lbs + over your rear axle weight and 2000lbs over your GVWR with that trailer. Your truck is only rated at 14k or so towing. At 7.5k empty for the truck, add 3500lbs of pin(trust me it will be that high) and all the stuff you put in the truck, you will be 2000lbs over. Don't do it. I have towed a 40' toyhauler at 15k lbs on a 2500 before. It's not the best setup and I have over 20 years of heavy tow experience.

Mav

[IOWASTROKER]

Our new 3950 has very similar weights and I am pulling with F450 CC 4X4 AND usually only 60mph OR less. Pray you never have an emergency.

[I_m_Rick_James]

Boudreaux wrote:
Anyone know how to tell how much my truck is over its weight?
Sticker on door:
GAWR Front: 5500
GAWR Rear: 6010
GVWR: 9600
Other sticker:
The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2109
The towing chart for my truck
GVWR=9600
payload=2230
base weight 7372
base front 4583
base rear = 2789
GCWR= 17000 - 22000 I'm not sure the Axle ratio
Max Trail = 9500 - 14500

The Cyclone GVWR 18000

You're way over the trucks weight ratings on a completely empty 4100. The 4100 I looked at weighed 14,800 empty! You would be over GVWR, GAWR, GCWR, tire load ratings, wheel load ratings, etc. This is not a safe towing combination.

[rayford118]

I want to say the cyclone has a hitch weight of a little over 3000, so if you weight 150lbs and before you put any cargo or passengers in your vehicle your already 1000k over payload capacity.

[Boudreaux]

Anyone know how to tell how much my truck is over its weight?
Sticker on door:
GAWR Front: 5500
GAWR Rear: 6010
GVWR: 9600
Other sticker:
The combined weight of occupants and cargo should never exceed 2109
The towing chart for my truck
GVWR=9600
payload=2230
base weight 7372
base front 4583
base rear = 2789
GCWR= 17000 - 22000 I'm not sure the Axle ratio
Max Trail = 9500 - 14500

The Cyclone GVWR 18000

[davesparks2001]

On the up side, if you were prepared for the expense of the big rig, you can get a smaller one with every bell and whistle available and still come out good money wise. As long as you're spending money with them, they shouldn't mind switching you out. To hear them tell it, they can't get 5th wheel toy haulers fast enough so they can sell the king to someone else.

[Y-Guy]

If you've put a deposit down you could lose it. I'd get the actual ratings for your truck and the posted pin weights and overall weight of the trailer. I'd sit down with the manager and explain that you made the wrong choice based and that the trailer is too heavy for your truck. Have the facts to back you up. If they sell another trailer that fits your weight limits they may be more willing to transfer the deposit.

[rayford118]

which dealership did u go to boudreaux?

[davesparks2001]

I would let the dealer know asap that you don't want it if that's the way you feel. Let the manager know that the sales person caught you in the heat of the moment and you've come to realize you can't tow such a rig.

[mpierce]

" I always research before buying."


Huh?

[Boudreaux]

Thanks guys that really helped. I knew my truck was overweight, but didn’t think by that much. I did all the research for a Serra bunkhouse and wanted to eliminate the toy haulers. The salesman really pushed this unit. Does anyone know if I can get out of this unit before picking it up and doing the walk through? I do not want this unit now. I want something that won’t put my wife and 2 small kids at risk. I am pissed at myself now. I always research before buying.

[crazybanshee]

Boudreaux I am sorry but can not give you the answer you are looking for. Cyclones have a very heavy pin weight and that little truck will be overloaded.
Will it pull it? Yes
Will it stop it? Yes
Safely for you and others around you? NOT
Doug

[ricatic]

Boudreaux wrote:
I’m picking up my Cyclone 4100 King Friday. 2 of my buddies told me I will not have any problem pulling it. I have a 2011 Ram 2500 4x4 diesel. A guy I work with pulls his 40’ Raptor with his 2007 Chevy 2500 with no problem. I will be pulling in Louisiana and may do the Disney World thing I’m sure. Did I over load my truc for my first camper?

well...lets look at the numbers for the 4100 King and compare them to my real world situation towing a Heartland Big Horn 3055RL. Usually it is a no no to use dry weights for determining the ability to stay within a trucks published weight ratings. However, in my experience, Heartland is quite accurate in reporting the dry weights of their product. My 3055RL was actually 75 pounds lighter than the factory number and the propane tanks were full. I have been told this is not unusual for Heartland products. In this comparison, it will not matter.

The 4100 King has a published dry weight of 14,595 pounds and a GVW of 18,000 pounds. With a 20% pin weight, there will be approximately 2920 pounds of pin, with an empty trailer.

My 3055RL has a published dry weight of 10,975 pounds. For this discussion, I will use the loaded weight of my trailer. Ready to travel it weighs 13,025 with a pin weight of 2400 pounds, just under 20% of loaded weight.

Why is this important? Because I pull the 3055RL with a F350 CC SB 4x4 with a GVW of 11,500 pounds. I am very close to my ratings...and my GVW is considerably higher than the OP's Dodge. The 4100 King will certainly have a pin weight in excess of 3200 pounds. It is likely that the Dodge will be overloaded bt more than 1000 pounds...

Will it pull that trailer down the road...of course...but should that trailer be pulled with that truck...nope

Dually country for sure

Regards

[hmknightnc]

Well only you can really decide but you need to go get some information before you can decide. Load your truck up with fuel, passengers, and gear you will taking with you in the truck. Go to a CAT scale and get front and rear axle weight. Now look on your driver door sticker for the Rear Axle Weight Rating. Subtract the real wieght from the wieght rating. That is the maximum FW pin wieght you can legally have on the truck (Axle wieght ratings are US Federal Law. Manufacturers GVWR and Payload are not)

Now go look up the GVWR of the TH. Divide that wieght by 5 (pin wieght is typically 20% of GVWR). If that number is less than calculated above your legal but still might exceed GVWR of the truck

My guess is a 3/4 is not legally capable of carrying that TH but can only determine that by doing the math above. My guess is also that TH actually requires a dually to carry it.