Toy haulers with 3/4 ton truck

[rtaylor0830]

How many possabilitys are there for a nice toy hauler with a 3/4 ton diesel.

[mapguy]

JIMNLIN wrote:

rtaylor0830 wrote:
How many possabilitys are there for a nice toy hauler with a 3/4 ton diesel.

Lots of possibilities but the possible size is gonna' depend on year model 3/4 ton truck.

Easy part::
A new or older 3/4 ton diesel truck has 6000-6200 RAWR (suspension/wheels and tires). They generally have payloads on the rear axle from 2800-3200 depending on actual scaled weights.

Hard part::
I had a 3/4 ton Dodge/Cummins with the 47RE and sickly 3.54 gears with a 9800 lb tow rating.
The new gen 3/4 ton diesels have tow rating up to 17000 lbs HOWEVER the new gen 3/4 ton diesel is still limited to those 6000-6200 RAWRs.

Pin weight and truck payload are what hold back a 3/4 truck. Especially on multi-slide trailers. Too keep pin weight down and have payload for truck passengers fifth wheel TH's need to be in the 12-13k gvwr.

[Hokie_Camper]

It amazes me how this has gone over the years.

Bigger, Bigger, Bigger.

I don't understand why there aren't more reasonably priced toy haulers that aren't either massive 5th wheel monsters or small and feel like a cargo trailer.

Fun finder had the XT190 and Coleman had a few that were 1/2 ton towable. I know there are some that are still out there, but they don't seem to be the norm.

Seeing someone have to ask what they can two with a 3/4 ton makes me wonder about the RV industry.

To me having a wide range of products from entry level to mobile palaces makes sense. But it seems there is much more on the high end than the lower.

[englishmatt]

englishmatt wrote:
Not that it's right (or wrong for that matter), but I pull my 2013 Elevation 3912 with a 2013 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins SRW. I added airbags to the back, but not sure I really needed to.

Dry weight of the 5er is approx 12,000
GVWR is 18,000
Lenth is 42' 9"
Hieght is 13' 2"

I chose not to have a DRW since I need my truck as a dailer driver and as such getting a DRW around metro Atlanta would be a nightmare IMO.

Anyway, truck pulls like a train and the trailer pulls like a dream.

Just a bit more information on the RAM 2500

Axle Ratio - 3.42
GVWR - 10,000lbs
Payload - 2,620lbs
GAWR - 6,200lbs
GCWR - 25,000lbs
Max Trailer Weight - 17,450lbs

[JIMNLIN]

rtaylor0830 wrote:
How many possabilitys are there for a nice toy hauler with a 3/4 ton diesel.

Lots of possibilities but the possible size is gonna' depend on year model 3/4 ton truck.

Easy part::
A new or older 3/4 ton diesel truck has 6000-6200 RAWR (suspension/wheels and tires). They generally have payloads on the rear axle from 2800-3200 depending on actual scaled weights.

Hard part::
I had a 3/4 ton Dodge/Cummins with the 47RE and sickly 3.54 gears with a 9800 lb tow rating.
The new gen 3/4 ton diesels have tow rating up to 17000 lbs HOWEVER the new gen 3/4 ton diesel is still limited to those 6000-6200 RAWRs.

[englishmatt]

Not that it's right (or wrong for that matter), but I pull my 2013 Elevation 3912 with a 2013 Dodge Ram 2500 6.7 Cummins SRW. I added airbags to the back, but not sure I really needed to.

Dry weight of the 5er is approx 12,000
GVWR is 18,000
Lenth is 42' 9"
Hieght is 13' 2"

I chose not to have a DRW since I need my truck as a dailer driver and as such getting a DRW around metro Atlanta would be a nightmare IMO.

Anyway, truck pulls like a train and the trailer pulls like a dream.

[afishinado]

Good luck! But I think you'll have no problem as my initial search was something I could pull with my Tahoe, didn't find anything that made sense for my use.
So, I'm doing it the other way around, bought my trailer first (KZ 37)in my sig... The weight on sticker 10880, on registration 11030... pin is unknown (at least until I pick it up at the end of the month)figuring it has to be 2500-3000... Previous owner towed it back'n'forth NY to FL with a 3/4 no problem... I am heading west into the Rockies with two Harleys in the back for a couple months at a time.. EVERYONE is telling me to go 1 ton.. Not doing a DRW because I don't want one for a myriad of reasons...

[Bedlam]

Almost all the bumper pull TH's are fine with a 3/4t truck (you may need to upgrade the receiver). Once you start looking at FW's, the rear tire capacity usually is limiting you to something 35' or less (usually under 15K lbs GVW).

[Francesca_Knowl]

lincster wrote:
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Man of few words, and answers only the question as put!

[garry_owen]

we pull the hauler in sig. with no problems and are within the gvw of our pu. son has the same set up and same for him. we wanted tongue pulls to keep bed open for hauling. have had 5er's and well set up bumper pull does just about as well, and doesn't catch the high winds we have here as bad.

trailer full and ready to camp with 2 550 2-x sportsman's. 13,500.

truck cam with dura vis bridgestones and don't recall what the weight rating on the tires are but did weigh pu with camper on hitch. checked and did't come any where close to maxing out tire limits.

the rating for my 010 dura-max is higher than my neighbors 2004 f350 ford power stroke .

year of pu will play a make a bigger difference than whether a 3/4 ton or not. the newer trucks all seem to rate much higher.

[dsrace]

there are many many options for 3/4 tons just have to look up what your truck is rated to tow for trailer max lbs. I would suggest a fifth wheel since they tow a lot better than a bumper hitch but that's up to you. fifth wheel towing capacity is usually higher than tt but you'll have to look that up to be sure. the pin weight will be the second concern and you'll need to know you payload capacity for that one like the above post's stated. I would guess that if you buy a fiver th'er with an empty weight of like say 7k lbs to 8k lbs and if you not loading more than 2k lbs of toys and don't tow with water in the tanks you'll be fine but real #'s will tell you for sure. I towed my 2011 wolf pack fifth wheel 295 th'er with my old 1995 ext cab 2wd diesel with no real problems loaded with an 1200 lbs sand rail and prob 500 lbs of tools then plus food and gear. prob 10500 lbs loaded but when I went to my current f350 dually it is a better towing experience.

[2500_Grunt]

720Deere wrote:
If you try to stay within the GVWR for your truck, you are going to find yourself being severely limited. A toy hauler with a GVWR of 15,000 or more will put most SRW 1 ton trucks beyond their ratings

That's true for most older DRW's too. At least for my model year it is. DRW= less trailer than SRW because of more vehicle weight if you go by GCVWR.

[Sandia_Man]

I imagine there a quite a few toyhaulers you could pull with a 3/4 ton diesel, but without any specs on tow vehicle it's all speculation. I tow a 32' TH TT that is about 10K fully loaded with our 2500HD Silverado gasser and it handles it pretty well, wouldn't want to go much bigger. Get your truck's specs and go online to find which nice toy haulers fit within you TV's capacities.

[720Deere]

It depends on your interpretation of your truck's capability. If you try to stay within the GVWR for your truck, you are going to find yourself being severely limited. A toy hauler with a GVWR of 15,000 or more will put most SRW 1 ton trucks beyond their ratings. Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to play weight police, just pointing out the facts.

The reality is that wheels and tires on the truck seem to be the biggest limiting factor. You really need to get an "empty" weight of your truck which should include your hitch, all passengers, full tank of fuel and anything else you will be carrying when you travel. Compare your truck's GVWR and RAWR to the empty weight you will know how much pin weight your truck is capable of. Just remember that the pin weight that most manufacturers publish is going to be get heavier when you load the trailer up.

The short answer to your question is yes, a lot of people get away with towing quite large toy haulers with a 3/4 ton. I don't have a problem with it if they aren't exceeding the capacity of their tires and rear axle, but a lot of people on this forum will jump all over you.

[lincster]

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