Whats Your Real Weights? Truck and Trailer. The Real Deal

[juzplanekrazy]

I don’t know if it’s been done before or not but I was thinking about keeping a running list of real truck weights by year and type, and trailer weights by brand, size and what the total combined weight is of each guys rig. I was hoping the info would be a help for guys wondering about what the real weights are for a certain type of truck and to keep track of the more popular brand 5th wheel trailers. Another thing that will come out of it will be to see just how many guys really know what they are towing and if they know what their weight capacities are.
I’m sure it will take some time to compile a list and it will grow as guys add there info but I’m hoping it will help the newer guys in the long run to be directed back over to this thread in the future.
I’ll keep the TV lists to mainly the big 3 and from ¾ ton and up and I’ll try to keep the 5ers in a group by real GVW, length, and then manufacture. Any ideas are welcome as long as it makes things easier. And only real information can be given, so no guessing allowed. Only guys that have scaled there rigs or are totally certain of the weights.
Let’s see if I can keep the format real simple to type down and that will make it simpler for guys to refer back to and to keep track of.
Here we go……

TV - 2006 Dodge Mega Cab 3500 4x4, real scaled weight with full fuel, hitch, DH-DW and misc. gear = 7,500lbs. TV GVWR is 10,200lbs
5ver – KZ New Vision TH 38ft 14,500lbs loaded GVW. GVWR is 18,000lbs
Normal running TV & TH GCW weight= 22,500lbs, TV GCWR is 23,000lbs
Real Wet Pin Weight=2,950lbs

[Rick_MC]

sirdrakejr wrote:
Quote:
Truck front axle - 5260 - rated at 6000
Rear axle - 6300 - rated at 6100
Trailer axles - 11540 - rated at 14000
pin - 2760
GCVW - 23100 - GCVWR 23000
Actually it appears that the weight WITH the pin is a total of ( 5260+6300= ) 11,460# . The total AXLE ratings = 12,100# so he is UNDER the GAWR by 740#! But over the truck's GVWR by a over 2000#!
Frank

Actually I have the same truck in a 2008. GVW is 10,000# over by 1460#

[Snowman9000]

I weighed my rig today. 2004 Duramax crew cab 2wd, and old 1993 Jayco 265 RKS fiver.

The truck included 20 gals of diesel (125), me (160), hitch (150), other stuff in front of hitch (70).

Trailer is ready to camp but not provisioned. No food, drinks, towels, clothing, books, detergents & chemicals, that sort of thing.

There is at most 250 lbs loaded aft of the axles, including 20 gallons of fresh water. There is at most 150 lbs loaded at the front of the trailer. Camping stuff.

OK, the scale weights:
Truck front axle 3800
Above plus truck rear axle 7920
Above plus trailer first axle 10940
All axles 14320 (GCWR 22000)
Trailer axles only (hitched) 6380
Trailer on landing gear lifted off truck 7420

Calculated:
Truck front 3800 (GAWR 4410)
Truck rear gross 4120 (GAWR 6084)
Truck rear net 3080 (without pin)
Truck total as loaded, no pin 6880 - 6900 (GVWR 9200)
Pin 1040 (14%)
Trailer front axle 3020
Trailer rear axle 3380
(3500 lb axles!)

There was no way to get a side to side split on the scale platform. It's a right rear kitchen though, so rear axle loading is obviously an issue. Especially the right side.

Jayco said:
Dry axle weight 5110 (rotfl)
Dry pin 995
GVWR 7995

I estimate my truck to be ~7200 fully fueled, peopled, loaded and ready to hitch up a fiver. So I can take 2000 lbs of pin to hit the GVWR. The manual says 2500 max, but that's without DW, dog, gear, etc, I'm sure.

[sirdrakejr]

Quote:
Truck front axle - 5260 - rated at 6000
Rear axle - 6300 - rated at 6100
Trailer axles - 11540 - rated at 14000
pin - 2760
GCVW - 23100 - GCVWR 23000
Actually it appears that the weight WITH the pin is a total of ( 5260+6300= ) 11,460# . The total AXLE ratings = 12,100# so he is UNDER the GAWR by 740#! But over the truck's GVWR by a over 2000#!
Frank

[Glen_Schumann]

soling2003 wrote:
Thought I might as well add mine here too,

2010 F250 CC long, 6.4 diesel, long bed 4x4 with hitch, wife and full tank of diesel - tires are rated at 3750 lbs.

Truck only - Front axle - 5240
Rear axle - 3540

With Grand Junction 35TMS pretty much fully loaded -
Dry weight - 12840
Dry pin weight - 2273
GVW - 15500

Truck front axle - 5260 - rated at 6000
Rear axle - 6300 - rated at 6100
Trailer axles - 11540 - rated at 14000
pin - 2760
GCVW - 23100 - GCVWR 23000

I Know, I know, I am finding myself a few hundred pounds over here and there. We took a trip across a few mountain passes here in Wa and OR with no issues going up or down. Probably upgrade to a Dually one of these days.

What is the GVWR of your truck? Hitched you weight as shown in your post is 12,100 lbs. The number I found for an F250 GVWR is 9200 lbs. If that is accurate you are nearly 3,000 lbs over your GVWR when hitched.

[Tireman9]

With all the info on this thread I figure this is a good place to make a request related to weight and inflation.

Over the past few years the requirements for vehicle load capability and tire inflation have evolved. I am looking for examples of the label on your RV.

Many Trailers have a sticker with tire size and inflation minimums on the side of the trailer. Motorhomes may have a sticker near the drivers seat or a sheet with the load measurements made by the manufacturer on what looks like a sheet of paper or a smaller label.

Sometimes this lable is on the inside of the entrance door. Sometimes it seems like the manufacturer made an effort to hide the label in a place you would never think to look such as inside a closet.

My request is that you try and capture a picture of the information on the lable noting what your loads are and what the tire inflation minimum is supposed to be based on information from the manufacturer.

I would also request you get a shot of the location of the information sheet. I know that in My Coachmen the data sheet is glued to the inside wall of the closet. In my case the manufacturer provided the actual load on each corner based on what the RV weighed when it left the factory. I have seen examples where the manufacturer didn't follow the requirement and the data sheet showes 0 pounds load empty.

[erniej]

How about some weight limits on 1/2 to pick ups like a Cheverlot Silverado 1500 with a 5.3 Engine?
Ernie J

[soling2003]

Thought I might as well add mine here too,

2010 F250 CC long, 6.4 diesel, long bed 4x4 with hitch, wife and full tank of diesel - tires are rated at 3750 lbs.

Truck only - Front axle - 5240
Rear axle - 3540

With Grand Junction 35TMS pretty much fully loaded -
Dry weight - 12840
Dry pin weight - 2273
GVW - 15500

Truck front axle - 5260 - rated at 6000
Rear axle - 6300 - rated at 6100
Trailer axles - 11540 - rated at 14000
pin - 2760
GCVW - 23100 - GCVWR 23000

I Know, I know, I am finding myself a few hundred pounds over here and there. We took a trip across a few mountain passes here in Wa and OR with no issues going up or down. Probably upgrade to a Dually one of these days.

[jmvx2]

TV 07 Dodge Quad, 4x4 short bed, 6.7, 6 sp auto towing 08 Jazz 3300 36 foot 5th wheel with 5th Airborn SideWinder Hitch.
TV GVW with trailer hooked up 9780#
RA with pin weight 5290#
FA with pin weight 4490#
Trailer axles 9400# on tandems or 4700# per axle. 235/80-16 load range E tires, 3500# capacity per trailer tire.
GCVW 19180#
Weighed with DW, me and dog and full diesel, water tank, propane and supplies left in trailer. Only perishable food and some clothes not loaded.
Have since added Firestone airbags just to level truck out when towing even though it did not sag to bad without. I carry even heavier hitch loads when towing gooseneck with farm equipment.

[bigdaddy51200]

Future5'er wrote:
I am thinking about purchasing a 2006 Durango 315BH 5th wheel. I am curious about the hitch weight. My tow vehicle is a 2004 F-250 crew cab 6.0 diesel. Do I have enough truck to safely tow this trailer? Any help is appreciated.

Max loaded weight on that trailer 9,500

your truck can tow between 13,100 to 13,700 depending on your cab .

https://www.fleet.ford.com/showroom/rv_trailer_towing/2004/2004RVTrailer_F250_350.pdf

[miteldan]

We brought a 1985 Jayco 35ft 5th wheel and I need to know what it weighs I have a 16K Reese that is brand new will it be healthy enough?

[Future5_er]

I am thinking about purchasing a 2006 Durango 315BH 5th wheel. I am curious about the hitch weight. My tow vehicle is a 2004 F-250 crew cab 6.0 diesel. Do I have enough truck to safely tow this trailer? Any help is appreciated.

[qbert10]

2010 Ram 3500 6.7 CTD 4x4 CCLB DRW. Myself and my 7 year old son in the cab with just short of a full tank of fuel. I will post again when I have the trailer and the truck together.

Steer Axle- 5040 lbs
Drive Axle- 3300 lbs
Gross - 8340 lbs

Truck GVW- 12200lbs

[sirdrakejr]

Ow! You guys are starting to make my head hurt! :B
Frank

[Tireman9]

VNDOC
If we ask anyone with a pilots licence if total weight is the only thing of concern, I believe they will advise that weight balance is also important. I know I have been on commercial flights when some passengers have been asked to move forward or back to meet weight balance.

Now to your specific question. Yes the total weights are important but the tires on the right side of your trailer don't know the load on the tires on the left. If you have a 60/40 side to side to side weight distribution on your 7,000 lb axle and you load the RV to have a total of 7,000 on the axle you may think you are not overloading your tires because your tires are rated at 3042# each but the 60% side is being asked to carry 4200#.

"Corner Loads" on motor homes would be RF, LF, RR & LR
If you have a multi axle trailer then you also have variation axle to axle as not all axles carry an equal distribution AND they also can have diferent loading right side vs left side.

If you go to large Rally you may hear about RVSafetyEducationFoundation offering to provide individual corner weights. They do analysis and based on the tens of thousands of RVs they have checked over 55% have either a tire or axle overloaded.

Is it any wonder that 18% of RV owners have had some form of tire failure in the last two years according a recent survey.

If you follow the link I provided you can read the background to my request.

[VNDOC]

OK! Here it is! I was in the Army and now I see I need to understand not only the truck weight and the trailer weight but now I also need to understand the corner weight!!!!!!!

In the Air Force you have to watch your weight and do not overload the plane.


In the Navy you also have to watch your weight so you do not overload the boat , causing it to sink.

In the Army and the Marine Corps just load the truck and go.

So here is my take on the way to the weight of the truck and trailer.

The truck is limited to how much it can carry by the design of the manufacturer. The trailer has a gross vehicle weight rating and is listed on the side of the unit. As much as you can load on the truck, according to the weight limitations is one thing, the trailer is another thing.

Now you have another option to look at,how much the truck can tow.

So all the stuff you have in the truck, passengers, clothing and other items that you may need, and the pin weight of the trailer on the back in the bed will tell you if you are over loaded or at the weight prescribed by the manufacture. The truck, a 3/4,(1 ton = 2000 Pounds), ton truck, is about 6500 to 7500 pounds and can carry 1500 pounds. I know all of us follow that rule--yah right--, my pin weight is some where around 1500 to 2500 pounds so that would put me over right there, not to worry though the truck can take it and not say a word, at least not yet.

Now the tow weight rating for my truck with the Cummings 6.7 diesel and a 6 speed auto transmission quad cab long box is 16,832.

Look at that for a moment, what the tow rating is, not the carrying weight but the tow weight.

My rig is rated at 14,165 pounds, that is full of stuff, my 6 pairs of socks, 6 pairs of under pants, 4 pair of jeans, 12 shirts 3 pair of shoes, and a partridge in a pear tree. Now with a wife and 15 year old daughter their stuff--I really don't to go there as to what they have and how much it weighs, if I did I would be out the door on legal stuff before I went 1 mile.

Now how many of you, who don't dry camp all the time, will fill you rigs tanks and cupboards to over flowing out the door, dry campers will meet that limit on the way home, dumping some of the tanks along the way. That designation of GVWR for the trailer is a recommended weight that the trailer can carry according to the, "Safety Transportation Board". How many of you will build a house to stand up to a 100 mph wind, when for an extra $5.00 per sq foot you can build it to stand up to a 300 mph wind and you live on the beach side in Florida? So the trailer manufacture will put what the Gov. requires them to state however any company that has been around very long will over build some what because they know us, "get the wife, daughter, dog, cat, rock collection and my stuff along with a tooth brush and razor, plus an extra 50 to 100 gal fuel tank in the bed of the truck, hook the trailer up and see if they really can stay together at 80 mph down the road.

Now after all of that, what is the corner weight, and do I have one?