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olfarmer
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Just curious, I have been reading about all the problems with Auto Park. Is there anyone out there that has not had any problems on a motorhome that is equipped with Auto Park?
I bought the green switch for a spare to carry and checked out the fluid level but I am wondering if I am going to wind up like
Robin Williams in RV, blocking the wheels everytime I stop and get out. :E 🙂
Ed & Ruby & the 2 cats
2001 Winnebago Brave 30W
7.4 gas Work Horse Chassis
99 Jeep Grand Cherokee
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Just remember to put chocs in BEFORE you attempt to release the brake (especially if you are under the coach).

kcny
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Thank you for the detailed post Roger. I have a question about this part: "Version II got morphed around mid 98 and they removed (sadly) the floor pedal that allowed one to manually set or release the parking brake."

I have a 1992 Holiday Rambler built on a 1991 chassis. Based on your post, I would have a Version I AutoPark, however I do in fact have a foot pedal to manually set the parking brake. I will note that the transmission was replaced under previous ownership, but don't think that would mean the whole AutoPark was "upgraded" as well?

What is the significance of the parking brake (since you mentioned it was sadly removed). Does it work like a traditional car parking brake locking the rear wheels or....?

Also, (knock-on-wood), my system seems to be operating fine, however I notice that when I take my RV out of park it literally takes a full 7ish seconds for the AutoPark light to go out. I am free to move, it just seems like the light stays on "too long". Is this normal?


Edit after I took the time to read that wonderful link on the AutoPark! I "solved" my version question and see that I should have a Version I. So if the foot brake and the "gear shift in park" do the same thing, why have both? If there is loss of pressure for any reason, the system fails in the braked position, so I would think the foot pedal is not needed at all?
32' 1992 Holiday Rambler 1000

sertraline
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NORM WADDELL wrote:
Sertraline.......contact Roger Hagg at oldusedbear11@charter.net


THANK YOU SIR!!! I will immediately...

jcgribks
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I've got a 96 Itasca and my foot pedal doesn't seem to do anything but go all the way to the floor without any resistance like you have in a car putting on the emergency brake. Is it supposed to be like that?

I have the switch down on the pump replaced 2 yrs ago as it was leaking (I guess it wass the green one) Which switch activates the warning light and buzzer on the dash? Mine doesn't seem to light up and/or buzz anymore.

Also, Is there some way to add a cable or something to the foot pedal to mechanically activate the parking brake and remove the pump and all execpt for the actual brake on the driveshaft itself? I know that you'd have to remember to ALLWAYS use the foot pedal whenever you stopped.

I had to do that when I drove a Chevy Corvair automatic as none of the corvairs with automatic's had a "park" only R N D L. I always had to put it in neutral and put the brake on.
1996 Itasca Suncruiser 34RQ, P32 w/ 454 TBI, Banks Air Intake, Harris Towmaster Performance Chip pulling a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Unlimited.

NORM_WADDELL
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Sertraline.......contact Roger Hagg at oldusedbear11@charter.net
L NORMAN WADDELL
30 FOOT ALLEGRO
SATURN TOAD
WIFE AND 2 DOGS SUGAR BEAR & COCO BEAR

sertraline
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olfarmer wrote:
NORM WADDELL wrote:
AutoPark applies a parking brake by applying
a band brake around the drive shaft. When that switch
fails, the drive shaft is LOCKED......no can move R V.
A knowledeable person can get under the RV and
release that brake, and THEN wheel blocking when parked
is required, until the system is repaired.
Beentheredonethat.


Yes, I have read about how to disable it, and crawled under and located the pin to pull. I was just wondering if ALL auto parks fail or if some work fine for most of the life of the vehicle. I have read quite a bit about the various problems and remedies. I guess I would like to know if the failure rate is 100%--50%--25% or??????


I think 100 percent. Mine is failing as we speak and I am looking for instructions on pulling that pin..I have a trip this weekend...anybody help?!

Bank_of_Dad
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Explorer
Thank you Roger. You helped us keep our 97 Itasca longer than I thought I would. We have had switches and actuator replaced. I have no mechanical skills, and you probably don't remember, husband has vision handicap and can't help with repairs.

Without your help, we would all be on the side of the road!

oldusedbear
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For Gjac - - I THINK but am not positive, that the last J71 systems were installed around 2006 or so. I've never seen any sort of timetable on this subject, but I do know that some coach builders may sit on a chassis for more than a year before it goes out the door as a new motorhome.

I'd suggest that DRIVER over on the IRV2 forum might have the most accurate answer to that question.

oub
The reason for spelling is so that all of the words don't look the same.

olfarmer
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Thank you Roger, I think you gave me the answer to my question plus some other very worthy information! Also thank you to everyone else who responded with their personal experiences.
Ed

:B
Ed & Ruby & the 2 cats
2001 Winnebago Brave 30W
7.4 gas Work Horse Chassis
99 Jeep Grand Cherokee

pegdiver
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Explorer
Yes, Thank you Roger!
We used your hints a few times on ours and other MH parked next to us.
We are going over 94,000 miles - 1 failure of gray switch, 1 failure of green switch. Did a replacement a while ago - just because...
Easy to disconnect and use chocks until repaired.
2012 Winnebago Adventurer 37F with 2012 Jeep Liberty toad.
Old - 1999 32' Adventurer (no slides) with Grand Vitara toad (105,000 miles!)
Pride 3 wheel mobility scooter
Only 3 states to go in the USA, Camped in most of Canada and 4 states in Mexico too!

Gjac
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Nice summary write up Roger. Thanks again for all your help over the years. Do you know what year Chevy/Workhorse eliminated the auto park system?

oldusedbear
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Perhaps this is a good opportunity to post a "State of AutoPark" message. This is OUR take on the history - - Nothing official.

The "old ones," made from about 89 thru about mid 94: These are what we call the Version I AutoPark, and they run off of the power steering pump pressure. Amazingly, many are still out there ticking, but we get few requests for help on them. So far, parts and repairs are still going on with no major issues that we've heard about.

The Version II: Made from about mid 94 up to around mid 98. This is the system with a separate pump and reservoir. Up until sometime in 2001, the pump was still under the coach, but then got moved up under the utility hood at the front - - driver's side of the radiator. Version II got morphed around mid 98 and they removed (sadly) the floor pedal that allowed one to manually set or release the parking brake. They also made some significant circuit changes at that time.

We call the post 98 AutoParks "Version III." From a repair standpoint, they differ from the Version II by the lack of the foot pedal, and a different electronic circuit and some different switching - - including the addition of a yellow push-pull switch on the dashboard.

The Versions II and III comprise what is called the J71 AutoPark family. They are the ones that are most famous for locking up, failure with the Rotten Green Switch, etc.

The J72 AutoPark system, is a totally different bird. It exists in far fewer numbers, is made by Carlisle, and at present there is a fair amount of turmoil surrounding parts and service for this unit. We do not provide any measureable support for the J72 at the AutoPark Library.

We believe that statistically, the huge share of the AutoPark problems occur with the J71 - - and this is the focus of interest at the AutoPark Library. We DO continue to provide support for the earlier "all hydraulic" Version I units however.

We feel that we've seen most of the maladies with the J71, and will continue in our belief that coach owners, with some help and information, can do the huge majority of needed repairs. This assumes that one has the basic mechanical skills of Do-It-Yourself shade tree home fixers. In most cases, the tools needed are also pretty common.

In addition to the typical repairs, we have also come up with some "Workarounds," that enhance operation,service or use of the J71. These include such things as:

1. The Genie Lamp accessory - - Which gives you additional dashboard information on what your AutoPark is doing. This accessory can be built and installed by most coach owners - - about twenty bucks worth of parts from Radio Shack.

2. Mechanical cagers - - These allow you to release a locked up J71 by turning a bolt - - Instead of pulling clevis pins or cutting cables.

3. Electric pump motor conversions - - These allow you to convert the pump motor to one with thermal protection. An issue with the MTE pumps that have been used instead of the more prevalent Parker pump.

4. Hex adapters made of steel in place of the soft (easily to strip threads) aluminum ones that hold the RGS.

Our latest activities may speak most directly to the OP's question about "What else is lurking out there?" In addition to all the troubleshooting and repairs we've become so familiar with on the J71, we've lately seen a new problem that until the last year or so, has been rarely heard of - - LEAKING HYDRAULIC ACTUATORS. This is a new "ball game" for AutoPark owners, and involves failure of the hydraulic seal in the actuator cylinder. Historically, most of the places you might take your RV for service, have claimed these cannot be repaired and require total replacement of the actuator - - often at the expense of 1200 bucks or more.

Be of stout heart and good cheer, however. Again, this is an area where most users can participate in the repair options and save himself almost all of the really big dollars. It is however, what we are firmly convinced is an AGE RELATED malfunction, so we're pretty confident that all J71 owners will be faced with this fixem job at some point.

In conclusion - - We expect that all J71 systems will at sometime, need some repairs. Just the nature of the beast, but no different than most of the other systems on your RV. The good news is, that the owners can in almost every case, participate in the process and save probably ninety percent of what they would otherwise have to lay out.

The AutoPark Library will be glad to share information on any of the above issues. In almost every case, we can help you step by step through the troubleshooting and repair of your system.

We can be easily reached by contacting - - oldusedbear11@charter.net

Be advised that most procedures involve data sheets and file sizes that are waaayy too large to allow "online fixes" within this, or other forums. Regular email works the best - - sometimes supplemented by phone calls.

Feel free to contact us at the above email address with any comments or questions.

oub
The reason for spelling is so that all of the words don't look the same.

purplekeenah
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I had a 2003 with the AutoPark, in the first 2-1/2 years it failed 5 times. After much wrestling with Workhorse, they finally sent a technician to my local Workhorse Authorized dealer and replaced all of the electrics and most of the hydraulics of the AutoPark system with components that the tech said were of a new and improved design. All of the new electrics were completely sealed against moisture, and the hydraulic pump sounded a lot more business-like versus the original. After everything was replaced, it worked without a hitch for the next 4-1/2 years that I owned it
All of the repairs and towing during this time period were covered by Workhorse under warranty, but after the warranty expired I was always concerned if and when it would happen again.
2015 Newmar Dutchstar 4369
2013 Chevy Equinox

bsinmich
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I had autopark on my '96 Pace Arrow and never had a problem with it. We had it for 7 years and about 30K miles.
1999 Damon Challenger 310 Ford