Being pulled over by LEO

[et2]

Never have been, and don't plan to be. Very curious as to the actual procedure if it happened. Now I'm sure the officer would come to the side door ( by passenger up front on our DP).

So should I get up and open the door and step out to meet them, or allow the wife to unlock the door. If you allow them to step inside or you open the door to them have you given up your right to being searched as we invited them in? Or let's say they climb the step and sorta put a arm inside on the dash. Just wondering what the legal ramifications would be. Personally our dogs wouldn't take kindly to their entrance.

If anyone has had this happen what has it gone like? I as many others believe in protecting our rights. Just curious if making them stand outside raises flags on their end. I certainly wouldn't invite them to sit in my car if that were the case.

Just pass the info needed out the screen door opening?
Might be a silly post. Just has me wondering what most people would do

[RayChez]

racecarfan wrote:
If A cop saw you enter the intersection after it turned yellow when it was clear that you had time to stop and not enter but did and then proceeded to make your turn under red you can be ticketed I don't care what you think.

That is just it racecarfan. The light was green and as I committed to make the left turn it turned yellow when I was about the middle of my turn and then red which my coach had cleared, but the officer said my toad had not cleared completely out of the intersection. As you know with a 38'diesel pusher pulling a Honda Pilot you just do not speed up to make the turn. If you do, things could come flying out of the kitchen cabinets.

Anyways it is paid for and my decision was not to drive a couple of hundred miles round trip to go fight it in court. The officer was a very young highway patrolman and I assume he was trying to give out his quota. He did claim that he was hoping I would be in the clear so that he did not have to give me the ticket. LOL! YEA SURE!

[BozemanTrail]

2oldman wrote:
Ah yes, paperwork, and, my current insurance information on my phone.

Not sure if I'd want to hand my phone over to them to show the paperwork. Seems like you'd be giving them access to everything on your phone -- again not something to "worry" about per se, but it is the fact that your phone now-a-days has access to more personal items than almost anything else.

[BobGed]

racecarfan wrote:
Wrong you have to be in the intersection when its green and clear it when it turns yellow(hopefully) If you see its yellow and enter the intersection and then it turns red before you turn your in the wrong

racecarfan wrote:
If A cop saw you enter the intersection after it turned yellow when it was clear that you had time to stop and not enter but did and then proceeded to make your turn under red you can be ticketed I don't care what you think.

IMHO the first statement is incorrect, and I lived in BC for two years. Second statement could be true in some locations and circumstances.

[et2]

JetAonly wrote:

ddndoug wrote:
This was a very informative thread, thanks to all the current and former LEOs that responded.

What I don't get is the number of people that don't want cops in their MHs, what are they trying to hide? (rhetorical question, let's not get this thread closed)


Doug

FWIW this quote is from here.

"The problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is the underlying assumption that privacy is about hiding bad things. By accepting this assumption, we concede far too much ground and invite an unproductive discussion about information that people would very likely want to hide. Surveillance, for example, can inhibit such lawful activities as free speech, free association, and other First Amendment rights essential for democracy.
The deeper problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is that it myopically views privacy as a form of secrecy. In contrast, understanding privacy as a plurality of related issues demonstrates that the disclosure of bad things is just one among many difficulties caused by government security measures. The problems are not just Orwellian but Kafkaesque. Government information-gathering programs are problematic even if no information that people want to hide is uncovered."

Exactly. You don't have to prove you have nothing to hide. Many police (not all) look at it as everyone they stop does, and it's their job to find out. By peering into the vehicle looking for things to escalate. This the reason I asked what happens if you let the office step inside - being polite. Now you opened yourself up to a looksie around. Some here mentioned they have they right to see the driving area. That bothers me.

If being pulled over for a traffic offense or a problem with the vehicle then that's the purpose of the original stop. Not turned into do you mind if we look. I find that offensive that I'm not trusted. And I certainly don't have anything to hide.

[JetAonly]

ddndoug wrote:
This was a very informative thread, thanks to all the current and former LEOs that responded.

What I don't get is the number of people that don't want cops in their MHs, what are they trying to hide? (rhetorical question, let's not get this thread closed)


Doug

FWIW this quote is from here.

"The problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is the underlying assumption that privacy is about hiding bad things. By accepting this assumption, we concede far too much ground and invite an unproductive discussion about information that people would very likely want to hide. Surveillance, for example, can inhibit such lawful activities as free speech, free association, and other First Amendment rights essential for democracy.
The deeper problem with the nothing-to-hide argument is that it myopically views privacy as a form of secrecy. In contrast, understanding privacy as a plurality of related issues demonstrates that the disclosure of bad things is just one among many difficulties caused by government security measures. The problems are not just Orwellian but Kafkaesque. Government information-gathering programs are problematic even if no information that people want to hide is uncovered."

[J-Rooster]

Effy wrote:

J-Rooster wrote:
Leo should approach from curb side of RV for safety reasons and he will pick door or window he feels more comfortable with. You should have your license, vehicle registration, insurance card ready.

I don't think this is right. Protocol is to sit with your hands on the wheel and don't grab anything until told to do so. Be visible and don't start rummaging for anything. The officer has no idea what you are digging for and can assume the worst. If he asks you for your info, then you get it.

I've always done this my whole life and never had a complaint from any officer. If I got shot it wouldn't be the first time for me.

[msmith1199]

RayChez wrote:

msmith1199 wrote:

RayChez wrote:
I got stopped by a highway patrol that was following me for about five miles a few years back. I approached a intersection where I was going to make a left turn, I had a green light and committed to make the turn. In the mean time the light turned yellow and then red while I was still making the turn. The highway patrol turned the red light on me because he claimed that my toad did not quit clear the intersection in time when the red light come on.

He approached on the passenger side and knocked on the door. Wife opened the door and I stayed in the drivers seat. Police acted kind of nervous and was talking real fast to where I could not understand half of what he was saying. So I told him to slow down and talk a bit slower so I could understand him. He claimed he was hoping I would clear the intersection, but that I had not and he had to do his job. I told him you can not make a turn with a coach like an automobile because things would be flying off the shelves. He gave me the ticket, cost me $580.00 (red light violation).

If it happened as you said, that is not illegal. And if it was CHP that stopped you they know this good and well or they never would have graduated from the CHP Academy. I'm betting there is more to the story.

Yes MSmith that is exactly the way it happened. We were coming back to Barstow, Ca. from Scottsdale, AZ and the citation happened in Yucca Valley on their main Street and I was turning left to head towards Lucerne Valley and then to Barstow. I felt like going to court and fight it and I knew I had a good chance of beating the ticket but I had to drive a long ways to go to court. I believe it was called something like Joshua Tree, Ca. where the case was being handled. So I decided just to pay and go to school here in Barstow for the citation.

So now every time I am getting close to an intersection I am a nervous person. 😮

I would have driven 1000 miles to fight that ticket. I can tell you in Oregon, they have a law that says if you enter the intersection on a yellow and it turns red before you clear it, that if the officer thinks you could have stopped for the yellow, you can be cited for that. It is mainly used for the people who speed up when they see a yellow instead of stopping. California has no such law. And if you're towing a vehicle, you count as one vehicle for this law. Otherwise the officer should have cited the driver of your toad if he's claiming that is the vehicle that ran the red.

[gemert]

racecarfan wrote:

Skid Row Joe wrote:

RayChez wrote:
I got stopped by a highway patrol that was following me for about five miles a few years back. I approached a intersection where I was going to make a left turn, I had a green light and committed to make the turn. In the mean time the light turned yellow and then red while I was still making the turn. The highway patrol turned the red light on me because he claimed that my toad did not quit clear the intersection in time when the red light come on.

He approached on the passenger side and knocked on the door. Wife opened the door and I stayed in the drivers seat. Police acted kind of nervous and was talking real fast to where I could not understand half of what he was saying. So I told him to slow down and talk a bit slower so I could understand him. He claimed he was hoping I would clear the intersection, but that I had not and he had to do his job. I told him you can not make a turn with a coach like an automobile because things would be flying off the shelves. He gave me the ticket, cost me $580.00 (red light violation).

Wow! I'd of gone to traffic court on this one. That's a lot of jack to give in on a traffic light that you entered the intersection when the light was yellow. That's the law here, anyway.

Wrong you have to be in the intersection when its green and clear it when it turns yellow(hopefully) If you see its yellow and enter the intersection and then it turns red before you turn your in the wrong

Racecarfan, Respectfully, with 35 years in law enforcement, mostly in Florida, you are not correct. See my other post. It may be that way in Canada but not Florida.

[racecarfan]

If A cop saw you enter the intersection after it turned yellow when it was clear that you had time to stop and not enter but did and then proceeded to make your turn under red you can be ticketed I don't care what you think.

[4x4van]

racecarfan wrote:

Skid Row Joe wrote:

RayChez wrote:
I got stopped by a highway patrol that was following me for about five miles a few years back. I approached a intersection where I was going to make a left turn, I had a green light and committed to make the turn. In the mean time the light turned yellow and then red while I was still making the turn. The highway patrol turned the red light on me because he claimed that my toad did not quit clear the intersection in time when the red light come on.

He approached on the passenger side and knocked on the door. Wife opened the door and I stayed in the drivers seat. Police acted kind of nervous and was talking real fast to where I could not understand half of what he was saying. So I told him to slow down and talk a bit slower so I could understand him. He claimed he was hoping I would clear the intersection, but that I had not and he had to do his job. I told him you can not make a turn with a coach like an automobile because things would be flying off the shelves. He gave me the ticket, cost me $580.00 (red light violation).

Wow! I'd of gone to traffic court on this one. That's a lot of jack to give in on a traffic light that you entered the intersection when the light was yellow. That's the law here, anyway.

Wrong you have to be in the intersection when its green and clear it when it turns yellow(hopefully) If you see its yellow and enter the intersection and then it turns red before you turn your in the wrong

Wrong, at least in California. As long as you "enter" the intersection (cross the limit line) while the light is still yellow, you are legal, and in fact at that point you are REQUIRED to continue through the intersection. The only exception: if the intersection is blocked, which would prevent you from continuing through it, then you cannot enter the intersection even while the light is green.

[RayChez]

msmith1199 wrote:

RayChez wrote:
I got stopped by a highway patrol that was following me for about five miles a few years back. I approached a intersection where I was going to make a left turn, I had a green light and committed to make the turn. In the mean time the light turned yellow and then red while I was still making the turn. The highway patrol turned the red light on me because he claimed that my toad did not quit clear the intersection in time when the red light come on.

He approached on the passenger side and knocked on the door. Wife opened the door and I stayed in the drivers seat. Police acted kind of nervous and was talking real fast to where I could not understand half of what he was saying. So I told him to slow down and talk a bit slower so I could understand him. He claimed he was hoping I would clear the intersection, but that I had not and he had to do his job. I told him you can not make a turn with a coach like an automobile because things would be flying off the shelves. He gave me the ticket, cost me $580.00 (red light violation).

If it happened as you said, that is not illegal. And if it was CHP that stopped you they know this good and well or they never would have graduated from the CHP Academy. I'm betting there is more to the story.

Yes MSmith that is exactly the way it happened. We were coming back to Barstow, Ca. from Scottsdale, AZ and the citation happened in Yucca Valley on their main Street and I was turning left to head towards Lucerne Valley and then to Barstow. I felt like going to court and fight it and I knew I had a good chance of beating the ticket but I had to drive a long ways to go to court. I believe it was called something like Joshua Tree, Ca. where the case was being handled. So I decided just to pay and go to school here in Barstow for the citation.

So now every time I am getting close to an intersection I am a nervous person. 😮

[racecarfan]

Skid Row Joe wrote:

RayChez wrote:
I got stopped by a highway patrol that was following me for about five miles a few years back. I approached a intersection where I was going to make a left turn, I had a green light and committed to make the turn. In the mean time the light turned yellow and then red while I was still making the turn. The highway patrol turned the red light on me because he claimed that my toad did not quit clear the intersection in time when the red light come on.

He approached on the passenger side and knocked on the door. Wife opened the door and I stayed in the drivers seat. Police acted kind of nervous and was talking real fast to where I could not understand half of what he was saying. So I told him to slow down and talk a bit slower so I could understand him. He claimed he was hoping I would clear the intersection, but that I had not and he had to do his job. I told him you can not make a turn with a coach like an automobile because things would be flying off the shelves. He gave me the ticket, cost me $580.00 (red light violation).

Wow! I'd of gone to traffic court on this one. That's a lot of jack to give in on a traffic light that you entered the intersection when the light was yellow. That's the law here, anyway.

Wrong you have to be in the intersection when its green and clear it when it turns yellow(hopefully) If you see its yellow and enter the intersection and then it turns red before you turn your in the wrong

[msmith1199]

ddndoug wrote:
This was a very informative thread, thanks to all the current and former LEOs that responded.

What I don't get is the number of people that don't want cops in their MHs, what are they trying to hide? (rhetorical question, let's not get this thread closed)


Doug

As a retired cop I can tell you I don't want the police searching my motorhome. I have nothing to hide, but I just don't like it. Just like I don't like DUI checkpoints.

[Passin_Thru]

I never do anything to get stopped.

[ddndoug]

This was a very informative thread, thanks to all the current and former LEOs that responded.

What I don't get is the number of people that don't want cops in their MHs, what are they trying to hide? (rhetorical question, let's not get this thread closed)


Doug