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Effy
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Let me preface by saying I do not nor do I ever plan to wax my coach. I take meticulous care but I am just not doing it. Typically I use Rain ex wash with wax beads all in one. It does an OK job, but is there a better one step product out there? My unit is white gel coat with vinyl decals.
2013 ACE 29.2
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COOLCHAS11
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My question regards the mh fiberglass roof. I wash and scrub it twice a year, but it has started to oxidize. There are white streaks on the sides after a rain. Any suggestions on what to apply to the white fiberglass roof? Thanks.

Rascally_Road_W
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wny_pat wrote:
Rascally Road Warrior wrote:
Automotive products do not work well on gel-coat. Zaino is for clear-coat.
they use it on Vettes don't they!


Corvettes use what is called a 3rd generation fiberglass. Some body shops will used gel-coat while doing some repairs to the body. It is suppose to make for a better finish, but again, it is used by body shops for smaller repairs. Most vehicles that were built before the mid 80's had a single stage lacquer finish (single stage paint). Clear-coat became more of an industrial standard after the mid 80,s (2 stage paint).

Gel-Coat was never used or applied from the factory on Corvettes. It started out with 2nd Generation Fiberglass and then moved on to the 3rd Generation. According to the Corvette Black book, the first clear coat paint was in 1981 and only on the Corvettes built at Bowling Green.

There are some vehicles on the road toady that when you walk around the car, you'll see it change colors or it may have sparkly highlight. This is an expensive paint job as there is the first stage (base coat), then there's that special paint that dazzles with colorful effects (expensive), then it's all topped with a clear coat paint (clear coat/third stage paint).

Most all RV's (with the exception of aluminum) are fiberglass. The more expensive RV's are topped with a clear coat layer, and unless you have a Newell or Prevost, that clear coat layer is skimpy. In other words, clear coats on most cars on the road today are only as thick as a post-a-note. The more expensive automobiles such as Rolls Royce apply extra thick clear. The clear coat that is used on most full paint RV's are actually thinner than you average car which is why it's so very important to keep these rigs protected with a good synthetic wax.

Gel-coat (non-painted RV's with vinyl stickers) is a hard polyester resin coating that is applied over structural fiberglass to provide a smooth, glossy protective surface that improves appearance. The outer surface of a fiberglass panel is normally a special resin called gel-coat.

Rule No. 1:
Don't use automotive sealant or polishes on gel coat finishes. There are exceptions but if the manufacturer doesn't specifically recommend their product for gel coats, don't use it! Use only polishes and sealant that are designed for gel coats.

Synthetic sealant has better bonding characteristics than carnauba waxes, better abrasion resistance and melting points in the thousands of degrees. Synthetic sealant will outlast carnauba waxes and will typically produce a brighter shine. Sealant should last 6 months or more. Carnauba waxes start to melt around 150 degrees f. Direct and reflected UV and thermal radiation is literally melting the wax off the finish.

. Gel coat is porous. Seen under a microscope, your RV’s flat, smooth gel coat surface is millions of tiny holes! These holes, or pores, fill with microscopic grime, which promote gel coat oxidation. Think of this oxidation as "plastic rust". The contamination in the pores is eating away the gel coat from the inside, filling the pores with a dull, chalk. As the chalk fills more and more pores, the entire gel coat surface will take on a dull, whitish finish. Carnauba waxes and automotive sealant do not remove pre-existing micro-contamination in the pores. Worse, they seal the contamination in place where it continues to oxidize from the inside, under the protective wax. Gel coat is a totally different animal then paint... it is porous so it sucks up product like crazy… when oxidized like that any and all automotive products are a waste of time and money... and conventional ways of detailing go out the window.

03_RoadKing
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wny_pat wrote:
Rascally Road Warrior wrote:
Automotive products do not work well on gel-coat. Zaino is for clear-coat.
they use it on Vettes don't they!

While it's true Corvettes have gel coat they have a base coat clear coat on top of it.
Jim and Deb
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wny_pat1
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Rascally Road Warrior wrote:
Automotive products do not work well on gel-coat. Zaino is for clear-coat.
they use it on Vettes don't they!
“All journeys have secret destinations of which the traveler is unaware.”

Rascally_Road_W
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Automotive products do not work well on gel-coat. Zaino is for clear-coat.

wny_pat1
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The best?? The easiest? I'm surprised no one has ever mentioned Zaino around here. Once the coach is prepped, it would probably be the best and the easiest. But not cheap!! I use Wash Wax All. If it is good enough for Air Force One, its good enough for me.
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Rascally_Road_W
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Assuming that you have a gel-coat finish, this is by far one of the better products out there. I have experimented with several, but this product has the correct oils in it to rejuvenate the gel-coat to a like new surface, and it lasts.

fla-gypsy
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Right now I am using Turtle Wax wash and wax. But I have used many different ones and they all gave similar results
This member is not responsible for opinions that are inaccurate due to faulty information provided by the original poster. Use them at your own discretion.

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lunch_surfer
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I use these 2 products together in same bucket mixed and wash and dry in normal fashion. I use the same on all my cars and bus. I have never had better results no matter how much work in put into the wash and wax and I have spent 1,000's over the last 40 years. The only trick is the surface must be in good shape before. It must be smooth with no oxidation or over spray, so must polish or clay bar 1st time. I have stopped buying anything else. Was taught this from a pro I hired to clay bar and wax my bus after some paint work.

Give it a shot, several car show nuts have follow my recommendation and converted to same processes.

http://aerolon.com/tech-shine

http://www.campingworld.com/shopping/product/protect-all-quick-easy-wash/1545
Thanks,
lunch surfer
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Traveling USA looking for the best bike trails and campsites.

J-Rooster
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Hi Effy, I use Nu Finish Wax on the metal parts of my coach especially the front end and the outside storage cabinet doors! When I was driving over the road (44 years, until I retired 3 years ago) I would wax my Peterbuilt (Semi) every Spring with 3 coats of Nu Finish Wax and it would last one full year. I've tried everything on decals and from my experience Aerospace #303 works best for keeping the luster on decals. On the fiberglass I use pledge furniture polish easy to use and does a fair job. Good to hear from you again and Good Luck in whatever you choose.

TechWriter
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Meguiar's ScratchX (miracle product!) + Meguiar's Tech 2 wax.
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scottmohr
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I use gel gloss heavy duty rv wax for years and it hold up well in the south florida sun

ncrowley
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I use Wash/Wax All on the RV and the car. It is fast and easy to use and does a great job.
Nancy
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mtrumpet
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I've been using GEL GLOSS HEAVY DUTY RV WASH & WAX with good results for a few years now. Available at Camping World.
Mark & Cherie
2002 Newmar Dutch Star DP 3872, Cummins 350 ISC, Spartan Chassis