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Buying a Former Rental Class C. How many of us out there?

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
While researching these pages for my next Motor Home I saw a few threads discussing Rentals, most were Pros and Cons but very few posts from people who had purchased one.

I thought it may be a good resource and helpful to hear from these people. The good, the bad, what they liked and what they didnโ€™t. Also if they had any problems, things they changed, if they would recommend this to others or do it again.

Here is my story: I am not a novice, having owned a Class A for more than 15 years and doing the camping thing with my wife and two daughters, I can say โ€œbeen there done thatโ€ But life changes, and I sold everything so I have been away from this for several years. Starting over I lurked here for a while and got a lot of good insight then went looking.

My criteria was: A Class C within by budget, less than 30 feet so I can keep it at home, saving storage $, a rear bed, and a lot of storage space.

What fit that was Winnebago, Fleetwood and a few others, what I found mostly was Jamboree / Tioga 26Q. In the year models 2002 thru 2006. I did my home work looking at NADA and other sites to find the fair prices for the models that I was looking for.

After several months of searching the internet, Craigslist, private ads and Dealerships for a Class C that suited my budget and needs, this is what I found. Of the dozen or so I inquired about.Most were upsidedown in their payments, owing more than they were worth. All were on Ford Chassis, 7 needed tires, all had the original 7 to 10 year old tires, and they all needed repair of the awning and most needed some work inside or out and the maintenance records were sketchy, but most had low mileage. The Dealerships offerings were better but they had a profit margin to maintain so I got older models within my budget or huge up sales that didnโ€™t work for me.

My next step was looking at the rental market for sales. In my area there are 2 large companies that have rental sales, Cruise America and El Monte RV,who also sell Class A RVs.

First up was El Monte RV Their units are production RVs that are made by major manufactures, with TV antennas and hookups inside and out, Ducted A/C and heat, 2 house batteries, a rear ladder and parts are readily available from those manufactureโ€™s. I looked at their web site and it detailed their warranty and what was checked and serviced by their factory trained technicians. The unit I looked at was like new inside, the upholstery on all the seats was new as was the floor mat in the driverโ€™s area, it had a new mattress, still in plastic and a new bedspread. All of the curtains were new also. Newer (2010 mfg date) tires with 98% rubber and the mileage was ninety thousand (90,000).

Then there was Cruise America: Their units that I looked at seemed to be Spartan,no TV antenna or hookups for one,non-ducted A/C,small counter space and only one battery, no rear ladder for inspection and maintenance of roof and built just for them, they were all โ€œrefreshedโ€ their words not mine. They offered extended warranties at a huge cost. All had high mileage, one hundred and thirty thousand (130,000) or more and the price range seemed a little high. The sales staff had a take it or leave it attitude and were not very forthcoming when asked about maintenance records and service,they claim to have proprietary info in those records,It doesn't seem to be a problem for El Monte RV.

At El Monte RV I took a test ride; This Unit was a 2006 Tioga 26Q on a Chevrolet Chassis it rode
Drove and handled much better than the Fords that I had driven. It also had more leg room and was quieter. We got back and I asked about the service and maintenance on it, the salesman, Joey, handed me a 28 page single spaced document asked if I wanted some coffee or something to drink and said โ€œread this and if you have any questions I will answer themโ€.

It detailed everything that was done before and after each rental, the mileage, generator hours and hours billed. Each time it was washed and detailed inside and outside, all fluids were checked and replenished if needed, the holding tanks were washed, LP system was checked for leaks, all torque on wheel lugs were checked, brakes front and rear checked for wear and cracks, pressure in tires, all appliances, generator oil, lights inside and outside, the list goes on and on.

It also listed all oil changes,coolant change,trans service,fuel injector service and cleaning,fuel filters,air filter, new brakes, all repairs and replacements all with date, mileage and time spent in complete detail from day one to when it was pulled from the rental fleet and was refurbished. I have a complete service record on this vehicle.Also the service records on the Onan Generator,all oil changes,air filter and spark plug replacement with hours and date. I negotiated a good deal with them and am very happy with my purchase.

It came with a 1 yr. 12000 mile power train warranty and 30 day on all appliances. It also came with a 28 page maintenance record that detailed everything. Also the original sales packet from Fleetwood with the manual and serial numbers on all appliances,refrigerator, microwave,furnace, AC, water heater, etc. and the manual for the Chassis. I have had no problems with it so far.

(ON EDIT) 5 Years and close to 14000 miles.Just Scheduled Maintenance and new tires,old ones were at the 5 year mark and I wanted new Michelin LTX M/S2s.

There were a few things that it didnโ€™t have as it was a rental and the ones from private parties did have.
โ€ข Power steps, outside Stereo/CD donโ€™t need or want them.
โ€ข An Awning, this I wanted and had installed. A Swivel Seat and a new Window in The Door that I installed.
โ€ข Wheel Simulators, I like the looks so I had them installed and at the same time had Tire Man valve stem kit put on.
โ€ข Replaced the Chinese WFCO with a US Made converter/charger
โ€ข It came with mini blinds and not the day/night that most have, these are more practical and have a lot less failure.
  • It also came with Stainless Steel sinks,easier to maintain than the cheap plastic ones that come in the noncommercial units.

I am very happy with my Rig, it suites my needs and it was in my Budget range, I think I got a good deal.

So if you bought a rental please share your experience here for others to use as a resource.
Or if there are any other questions that have not been covered in these pages, just ask, there are many helpful people on this thread.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C
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Rolin
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Explorer
The Title "model year of the motorhome vs chassis" depends on the state. In Oregon our 2007 Winnebago Model Aspect on a 2006 Ford Chassis is registered as a 2007 Winnebago Aspect.

The Oregon motor vehicle rules state that the title is based on the date of last manufacture...in this case Winnebago. The dealer incorrectly had it registered as a 2006 and I had to go to the Motor Vehicle office and get it corrected.

Snowman9000
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Explorer
So I guess the question is, can the 2007 chassis handle a 5K hitch? If so, it's not too big of an expense to upgrade.
Currently RV-less but not done yet.

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
This is a common thing that comes up often because of the way RVs are produced,it may not make you feel any better about it but this
link will explain it better which seems to be an industry standard.

My 2006 is on a 2005 chassis but I knew of this going in when I bought it. My pink slip also identifies it as a 2006.I am sorry that someone here did not mention this practice,me included,when you were asking questions about your future purchase, it usually comes up.
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C

Perick
Explorer
Explorer
After researching on the Fleetwood site and inputting the FIN number into a parts search, they do have it listed as an 08 as well.

Just doesn't sit well with me that you sell it as an 08, but it has 07 specs. Wish it would have been disclosed because then we could have factored that into our decision.

adlereins
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Explorer
Wish I could help more. Please let us know what the results are.
Allen B.

Perick
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adlereins wrote:
HI Perick:
The answer to your question is yes and no. The VIN #, chassis # and the like are when the chassis is built, be it Ford or Chevy. THEN the coach is put on the chassis. When the coach is finished, that is the MODEL year. So if the chassis was built in 2007 and the coach was finished up in 2008, then yes, it is a 2008 MH, but the chassis was built in 2007 and must be registered as such.. Hope this helps. Same thing happened to me. I did inquire about it and did the research to verify. Like you, I thought, "You Sumbeaches!", but after research, all is well.
Allen B.


Thank you for that reply Allen. Reading out here I have seen mention about the possible date differences between the chassis and coach, but since this one is 04/07 for the chassis and 05/07 for the coach, that lead me to think that neither would have sat around for 6 months before being completed.

Honestly, biggest thing that is driving me nuts now is the fact the hitch is a 3500lb hitch and not the 5000lb hitch the 2008 models have. That's ticking me off the most, the fact we bought the 2008 over the 2007 because we wanted the hitch and to be a year newer.

adlereins
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Explorer
HI Perick:
The answer to your question is yes and no. The VIN #, chassis # and the like are when the chassis is built, be it Ford or Chevy. THEN the coach is put on the chassis. When the coach is finished, that is the MODEL year. So if the chassis was built in 2007 and the coach was finished up in 2008, then yes, it is a 2008 MH, but the chassis was built in 2007 and must be registered as such.. Hope this helps. Same thing happened to me. I did inquire about it and did the research to verify. Like you, I thought, "You Sumbeaches!", but after research, all is well.
Allen B.

Perick
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Explorer
Well DW and I went to Texas and bought a 2008 (so we thought) Tioga 31M from El Monte. All of the paperwork we signed for financing and such had 2008 listed on it. On our way home to Indiana while driving across Arkansas, DW started looking through the manuals they included. They were all for a 2007 model. We didn't think much of it, we just figured the manuals had gotten shuffled around and the wrong years given to us...that was Monday. Flash forward to today while really going over the unit and looking at other things on it besides leak checking and things to fix...I noticed the tag on the side listing the build date on the house, it was 05/07. That set off a few alarm bells in my head, so I checked the chassis date on the inside of the drivers door and it's 04/07. So now I'm starting to get a little ticked and it only got worse when I looked at the registration paper they had tucked in the on the console, it listed the unit as an 07. Further research today taught me that the 10th digit in the VIN code indicates the model year. Ours is a 7. I've looked at a random assortment of the units listed on El Monte's site and they are all off a year. (the site lists them a year newer than their VIN says they should be).

I have an email into the salesman that helped us and plan on calling him in the morning. I'm more than a little ticked at this because we wanted an 08, and thought we were getting an 08 based on the website and finance documentation. (a big reason was the 5000lb hitch) Shame on me for not verifying the dates on the house/chassis but it never occurred to me that they wouldn't match to what was being listed. Had the date been 2007 on the finance paperwork or anywhere along the line DW or I would have caught it.

Anyone else run into this type of issue with them?

zachcycles
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Explorer
How sweet is THAT!!! Enjoy your new former rental... I'm lovin mine!!
Whether out in the motor home or just sittin n sippin a fine whiskey, my mind wanders these daze. I'm ok with this...

CatchinBluegill
Explorer
Explorer
As promised, here are the pics.

Front view:



Side quarter view

BoxinTheCompass
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CatchinBluegill wrote:
Well, I brought my El Monte Bounder 35H home today. It drove great on the freeway and now proudly resides in my driveway (I have a big driveway ๐Ÿ™‚

I did decide to go with the 4-year extended warranty on the coach. It covers frame, wheel bearings, suspension, brakes, in addition to the coach systems. More or less everything but the power train itself, and that has El Monte's 12/12 warranty.

Running a 5K in the morning tomorrow, then roasting the turkey. Getting new tires on Friday.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone, and thanks to all for the great information in this thread!


Congrats! Keep us posted and Happy Thanksgiving!

CatchinBluegill
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Explorer
Well, I brought my El Monte Bounder 35H home today. It drove great on the freeway and now proudly resides in my driveway (I have a big driveway ๐Ÿ™‚

I did decide to go with the 4-year extended warranty on the coach. It covers frame, wheel bearings, suspension, brakes, in addition to the coach systems. More or less everything but the power train itself, and that has El Monte's 12/12 warranty.

Running a 5K in the morning tomorrow, then roasting the turkey. Getting new tires on Friday.

Happy Thanksgiving, everyone, and thanks to all for the great information in this thread!

CatchinBluegill
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Explorer
kirbymurphy wrote:
CatchinBluegill wrote:

I even have a dump station in my driveway ๐Ÿ™‚



Kinda like Cousin Eddie in Christmas Vacation? :E


LOL. When my parents built this house, they were between motorhomes but knew they would get another one, so they had a dump put into the sewer line. If I ever had to get the house tented or something, I could just move into the RV for a few days, hook up the water and sewer, and be good to go. I don't have 50-amp service on the front of my garage, though. At least, not yet ๐Ÿ™‚

kirbymurphy
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Explorer
CatchinBluegill wrote:

I even have a dump station in my driveway ๐Ÿ™‚



Kinda like Cousin Eddie in Christmas Vacation? :E

IAMICHABOD
Explorer II
Explorer II
That tire thing sounds good,better safe than sorry.
Let the cold come,I am already set up here in Yorba Linda, 22 miles from home.

Last year was at the KOA in Chula Vista,nice place we do it every so often,but the drive is a pain.

Wish I had a dump at home,that is where I store it. looking forward to the pics.
Have a good one and happy CAMPING!
2006 TIOGA 26Q CHEVY 6.0 WORKHORSE VORTEC
Former El Monte RV Rental
Retired Teamster Local 692
Buying A Rental Class C