Dealer gave me wrong equal-I-zer size?

[shades9323]

So I picked up a 2015 Jayco X23b hybrid today and the dealer installed the equalizer with the 600/6000 head/bars. Loaded trailer weight is 5000 max. I’ve read online people exceeding 600lbs on the tongue. 600lbs is 12%. Am I safe with the 600/6000 or should I go back and ask for the 1000/10000 set up?

[dodge_guy]

shades9323 wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

So the numbers are in!

TV Loaded:
Steer: 3580
Drive: 3080
Total: 6600

TV/TT WDH Engaged:
Steer: 3520
Drive: 3580
Trailer: 4160
Total: 11260

TV/TT WDH Dis-Engaged:
Steer: 3360
Drive: 3880
Trailer: 4060
Total: 11300

Loaded TT: 4600
Loaded Tongue: 580 if my math was right!
12.6% Tongue Weight

Anybody want to check the math on my Loaded TT and Loaded Tongue Weight numbers?

Any idea on why there is a 40lb difference between the two TT/TV numbers?

Should I adjust the WD a little bit to get closer to the TV Loaded Steer axle (off by 60lbs)? Add a washer or two to the hitch head?

Thanks!

Very good. glad the numbers are where we expected them to be. I too wouldn't worry about the 40lbs, that could be a scale thing depending on where the tires were setting on the pad. Now if it`s towing good you are all set.

[drsteve]

shades9323 wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

So the numbers are in!

TV Loaded:
Steer: 3580
Drive: 3080
Total: 6600

TV/TT WDH Engaged:
Steer: 3520
Drive: 3580
Trailer: 4160
Total: 11260

TV/TT WDH Dis-Engaged:
Steer: 3360
Drive: 3880
Trailer: 4060
Total: 11300

Loaded TT: 4600
Loaded Tongue: 580 if my math was right!
12.6% Tongue Weight

Anybody want to check the math on my Loaded TT and Loaded Tongue Weight numbers?

Any idea on why there is a 40lb difference between the two TT/TV numbers?

Should I adjust the WD a little bit to get closer to the TV Loaded Steer axle (off by 60lbs)? Add a washer or two to the hitch head?

Thanks!

I would not worry about the 60 lbs on the front axle, especially if the rig drives and handles well.

[shades9323]

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

So the numbers are in!

TV Loaded:
Steer: 3580
Drive: 3080
Total: 6600

TV/TT WDH Engaged:
Steer: 3520
Drive: 3580
Trailer: 4160
Total: 11260

TV/TT WDH Dis-Engaged:
Steer: 3360
Drive: 3880
Trailer: 4060
Total: 11300

Loaded TT: 4600
Loaded Tongue: 580 if my math was right!
12.6% Tongue Weight

Anybody want to check the math on my Loaded TT and Loaded Tongue Weight numbers?

Any idea on why there is a 40lb difference between the two TT/TV numbers?

Should I adjust the WD a little bit to get closer to the TV Loaded Steer axle (off by 60lbs)? Add a washer or two to the hitch head?

Thanks!

[dodge_guy]

Fordlover wrote:
Yeah, you probably shouldn't listen to me.
I also don't follow this requirement:

Retorque at 50, 100, 200 and before every tow? Sorry, I don't do that on my automobiles or my lawn mower either.

It's a miracle I have survived this far.

Yep, exactly one of my points!

[Fordlover]

Yeah, you probably shouldn't listen to me.
I also don't follow this requirement:

Retorque at 50, 100, 200 and before every tow? Sorry, I don't do that on my automobiles or my lawn mower either.

It's a miracle I have survived this far.

[dodge_guy]

shades9323 wrote:

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

Will be hitting the scales on Sunday to flesh out weights. Dealer still thought that the 600/6000 was good. They said if I scale it and TW comes in above 600 to give them a call and we will work it out. My CCC was something like 925 if I remember right. We won't carry water so that saves us 400lbs. We will probably carry about 3-400 (including battery) lbs in the trailer. Again, hitting the scales on Sunday to get the real numbers.

I believe you will be pleasantly surprised, keep in mind though that you may have to move stuff around to arrive at the 12% TW. If it weighs in way! Over 600 then that is too much, and yes you can have too much TW.

Mybtrailer was originally at 1500lbs. I moved stuff around to get it down to where it should be which is 1200lbs. 12%.

[shades9323]

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

Will be hitting the scales on Sunday to flesh out weights. Dealer still thought that the 600/6000 was good. They said if I scale it and TW comes in above 600 to give them a call and we will work it out. My CCC was something like 925 if I remember right. We won't carry water so that saves us 400lbs. We will probably carry about 3-400 (including battery) lbs in the trailer. Again, hitting the scales on Sunday to get the real numbers.

[dodge_guy]

SoundGuy wrote:

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

At the most he will have 625lbs of TW that’s at 12.5%. There is no need to load a trailer so it has 14% TW. So with 12% TW at 5000lbs would put him at just a bit over 600lbs. No need for a 1000lb hitch.

[SoundGuy]

dodge guy wrote:
Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

OK, I detailed "why" way back on Page 1 but once again ......... :R

The OP's 2015 Jayco X23B is rated for a maximum CCC of just 1045 lbs before anything including a battery or any water or any cargo of any kind is added to the trailer. 😞 With so little CCC to work with that by definition means his biggest challenge will be keeping his trailer's GVW, loaded & ready to camp, within it's GVWR of just 4950 lbs. Ideally he'd want to be running gross tongue weight in the 13% to 14% range or ~ 640 lbs to ~ 690 lbs, either of which are beyond the rated limits of his Equal-i-zer's 600 lb spring bars which are designed for gross tongue weights up to 600 lbs. Whether you or I or anyone else agrees Progress Mfg has chosen the next heavier size to be 1000 lb spring bars and that's what the OP should be using with his Jayco X23B. It doesn't need to take 7 pages of discussion for anyone to figure this out. :R

[shades9323]

SoundGuy wrote:

Fordlover wrote:
Anecdotal, but for what it's worth, I towed a 21 footer with ~650 lbs of tongue weight on my 600/6000 Equalizer hitch for 11 years, about 15K towing miles. Never an ounce of sway, nor any visible damage to the hitch.

shades9323 wrote:
Did it transfer enough weight back to the front axle?

7 pages of discussion now and you're still asking this question? :h As a former Equal-i-zer owner myself I already gave you the answer back on Page 1, saying that based on the trailer weight you quoted that yes you should be using 1000 lb spring bars with your Equal-i-zer. Either you believe it or you don't but the facts are the facts and don't change regardless that others may anecdotally insist lighter spring bars worked for them. :R

Hey man! It is like the movies, I want to know what happens to the people after it ends!;)

[Fordlover]

shades9323 wrote:

Fordlover wrote:
Anecdotal, but for what it's worth, I towed a 21 footer with ~650 lbs of tongue weight on my 600/6000 Equalizer hitch for 11 years, about 15K towing miles. Never an ounce of sway, nor any visible damage to the hitch.

Did it transfer enough weight back to the front axle?

Yes it did. The dealer set it up, and I never had headlight in the sky or floaty steering issues. And yes, this was an Equal-i-zer brand hitch.

I thought the 1000 sized hitch would be far too stiff for my little truck and camper, though Progressive manufacturing recommended I move to the 1000 unit.

With my new trailer, I decided to go with the 1200 unit. Glad I did, but don't regret for even a second using the 600 tongue weight unit for those 11 years.

[dodge_guy]

SoundGuy wrote:

Fordlover wrote:
Anecdotal, but for what it's worth, I towed a 21 footer with ~650 lbs of tongue weight on my 600/6000 Equalizer hitch for 11 years, about 15K towing miles. Never an ounce of sway, nor any visible damage to the hitch.

shades9323 wrote:
Did it transfer enough weight back to the front axle?

7 pages of discussion now and you're still asking this question? :h As a former Equal-i-zer owner myself I already gave you the answer back on Page 1, saying that based on the trailer weight you quoted that yes you should be using 1000 lb spring bars with your Equal-i-zer. Either you believe it or you don't but the facts are the facts and don't change regardless that others may anecdotally insist lighter spring bars worked for them. :R

Must be a different quoted weight, because the majority of us have said the 600/6000 hitch will work just fine!

[sgip2000]

SoundGuy wrote:

sgip2000 wrote:
The hitch head is the same for most kits.

Not for the Equal-i-zer ... if the OP moves up to 1000 lb spring bars he has to change the head as well.

That's why I said most.

[SoundGuy]

Fordlover wrote:
Anecdotal, but for what it's worth, I towed a 21 footer with ~650 lbs of tongue weight on my 600/6000 Equalizer hitch for 11 years, about 15K towing miles. Never an ounce of sway, nor any visible damage to the hitch.

shades9323 wrote:
Did it transfer enough weight back to the front axle?

7 pages of discussion now and you're still asking this question? :h As a former Equal-i-zer owner myself I already gave you the answer back on Page 1, saying that based on the trailer weight you quoted that yes you should be using 1000 lb spring bars with your Equal-i-zer. Either you believe it or you don't but the facts are the facts and don't change regardless that others may anecdotally insist lighter spring bars worked for them. :R