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Defective Trires & Wheels

GeoFish
Explorer
Explorer
I am kinda tired of the junk being manufactured by the major RV companies. I have owned 5 different travel trailers & one 5th wheel.
Quality issues with all of them. But when they risk peoples life's, that's going to far.
I have a toy hauler travel trailer. I special ordered my trailer so I could get the options I wanted, including the all season package which includes insulting the floor of the camper with spray foam. I also purchased a two year extended warranty.
I took delivery on 10-9-13. I had a few issues in the first two years, most of them I fixed myself, since my dealer was useless.

On 9-6-16, I blew out a tire in WV, in one of the worst spots you can be in. I did not want to drive back to VA without a spare so I purchased one in Beckley WV. I was concerned about this, so when I got home, I had the axle aliment checked. They did not find anything wrong.

I noticed that the manufacture chose to install D rated tires on my dual 5,200 LB. axles.
For example Carlisle D rated tires have a rating of 2,540 Lb each X 2 = 5,080 Lb. This is short of the 5,200 LB axle rating.
Must be some kind of new math?
I changed all 5 tires (including the spare) to E rated tires that have a rating of 2,830 LB each X 2 = 5,660 LB. I did check the wheels and they are rated for 2,830 each, so I should be OK???

Then on 10-24-16, just before a 3,600 mile trip, my lovely wife looked down at the wheels and said, honey this wheel is cracked, and by the way this other wheel is cracked. We had taken the camper to Kentucky two months prior. When we came back, we washed the camper and the wheels were not cracked then. We did not hit anything unusual on any of our trips.
The cracked wheels were both on the same side of the camper, not the side that the tire blew out on.
Thank God for Lovely wives, because if we were traveling down the interstate and both wheels broke apart, we may not be here.

I always go to a CAT scale and weight my trailer and truck before a trip. I have never even come close to the rated 10,400 combined axle weight rating. So I have not overloaded my trailer or my truck.

When we got back from our trip, I investigated and found that when the manufacture applied the floor insulation, they completely filled the void between the trailer axes and the bottom of the trailer.
This keep the axles from moving upward when hitting normal highway bumps. Thus the springs could not do their job. Trailers have springs for a reason!

The only solution is to completely remove the insulation above the trailer axles or flip the axles putting the leaf springs on top of the axles. I chose to flip the axles.

Did the foam above the axles increase the load on the tires and wheels, thus causing my problem?
Or were the wheels & tires defective, or was the manufacture trying to kill me?
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Grit_dog
Navigator
Navigator
In short, likely defective wheels and tires.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

Grit_dog
Navigator
Navigator
Guessing those pics are from geofish? Anyway pretty sure that is not a steel wheel.
Yes 2 cracked wheels is either abuse or poor quality. Hard to say, idk what you hit with your trailer. Iโ€™ve come home with bent trailer rims before. It happens.
No, foam wonโ€™t keep your springs from working. Iโ€™ve wore trough plywood floors before with trailer tires rubbing the floor in bumps.
Yes a lot of trailer tires are cheapppp.
2016 Ram 2500, MotorOps.ca EFIlive tuned, 5โ€ turbo back, 6" lift on 37s
2017 Heartland Torque T29 - Sold.
Couple of Arctic Fox TCs - Sold

rhagfo
Explorer III
Explorer III
fj12ryder wrote:
Unbelievable is all I can say.


X2!
That is terrible work!!!
Russ & Paula the Beagle Belle.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#

"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"

wa8yxm
Explorer III
Explorer III
There is nothing wrong with an axle rating higher than the tires. or the other way around. BUT both axle and Tires MUST have enough "Oomph" (Weight rating) to handle the LOAD on those tires.

Mt theory is that the RV makers think the only thing we will every carry in our RV's is Styrofoam. Nothing heavy. Like a frying pan to make breakfast in, Just Styrofoam. (Read that very light load). So they stuff is not strong enough.
Home was where I park it. but alas the.
2005 Damon Intruder 377 Alas declared a total loss
after a semi "nicked" it. Still have the radios
Kenwood TS-2000, ICOM ID-5100, ID-51A+2, ID-880 REF030C most times

Cummins12V98
Explorer III
Explorer III
Good OL Chinese made wheels. When upgrading my last DRV to 17.5's I went Alcoas.
2015 RAM LongHorn 3500 Dually CrewCab 4X4 CUMMINS/AISIN RearAir 385HP/865TQ 4:10's
37,800# GCVWR "Towing Beast"

"HeavyWeight" B&W RVK3600

2016 MobileSuites 39TKSB3 highly "Elited" In the stable

2007.5 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 29,000# Combined SOLD

Lynnmor
Explorer
Explorer
It looks like the water tank fell down and they "fixed it" by hiding it in copious amounts of foam.

midnightsadie
Explorer II
Explorer II
I believe it, its called quality control which in the rv world there is none ,they make junk and we buy it.

fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
Unbelievable is all I can say.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

GeoFish
Explorer
Explorer
The picture of the axle is after I flipped it.
Both wheels are broke in the same place.

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
This is a disaster




I had a steel wheel crack a couple years ago. Tire went flat while camped.

GeoFish
Explorer
Explorer
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fj12ryder
Explorer III
Explorer III
GeoFish wrote:
I never crawled under the camper. Seemed to tow OK. The foam is hard.
I cannot post a picture or you would understand better.
Thanks, I just can't seem to get my head around it.
Howard and Peggy

"Don't Panic"

GeoFish
Explorer
Explorer
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GeoFish
Explorer
Explorer
I never crawled under the camper. Seemed to tow OK. The foam is hard.
I cannot post a picture or you would understand better.

Lynnmor
Explorer
Explorer
What kind of wheels, aluminum or steel? Where are the cracks? This would be good information for all so they can inspect the junk.