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[Dick_A]

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[Lauren]

This has gotten so off topic it needs to be shut down.

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[LindsayRichards]

Actual numbers are about 1200 per month for the first 6 months of 2017. In 2016 17.9 MILLION vehicles of all kinds were produced ii America.

[Bumpyroad]

$1.879 south hill va, 7-2
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[John___Angela]

tomman58 wrote:
Tesla model 3 is coming on line shortly and claims 20,000 a year in a year. But that isn't the news that affects us other than over 373,000 or already ordered and the more that are sold the less oil and that means yet cheaper cost for us. The news I thought that was interesting was the announcement of a new semi-truck that they are going to show off in September............. Does that mean other trucks soon? Electric ones that can pull campers?????? We will have to wait and see. Imagine if we embraced solar now as the Chinese are, how long would it take to have electricity for all these cars. What a concept that would be. Oh well will be a few years before we could reenter that main stream.

Good morning. Production is slated to be 200,000 in 2018 for Tesla. The ramp up though will continue thru this fall and the first quarter of next year. A significant percentage are right hand drive though and many others will be made for export to Europe and Asia, so different lights etc. Some speculate that only a third will be sold on this side of the pond and even some of those will be Canadian Spec. Some 2019 forecasts are for 280,000 covering the X the S and the 3. Things will probably be in flex until the gigafactory comes on line. Depending on your source there are varying numbers.

[pianotuna]

Lindsay,

Traditional power plants don't run at 100% capacity and ramping power up and down does take time.

One of the side benefits of devices such as the power wall (which I don't much like) may be load smoothing and the ability to time shift power use. I was surprised to see consumption curves that suggested most power is used from 7 p.m. to 9 p.m.

LindsayRichards wrote:
pianotuna That graph is rated capacity not actual. Solar and wind average less than 25% of the rated capacity, so your chart does not show what you wanted it to. Sorry.

[tomman58]

Tesla model 3 is coming on line shortly and claims 20,000 a year in a year. But that isn't the news that affects us other than over 373,000 or already ordered and the more that are sold the less oil and that means yet cheaper cost for us. The news I thought that was interesting was the announcement of a new semi-truck that they are going to show off in September............. Does that mean other trucks soon? Electric ones that can pull campers?????? We will have to wait and see. Imagine if we embraced solar now as the Chinese are, how long would it take to have electricity for all these cars. What a concept that would be. Oh well will be a few years before we could reenter that main stream.

[John___Angela]

tomman58 wrote:
Lindsay is back for a day and some are clamoring to kill this thread, pathetic.

I am thankful for diesel not exceeding $5.00 a gallon. Back in 2008 Diesel went over 5 bucks for a short time. When I put together my budget for retirement I used $7.00 for my fuel requirements. We sure have beat that and when you couple it 3% inflation we have had a great run for those 9 years. Let us hope that now with a glut in oil we can enjoy more years of low costs. When RVing I get 11MPG mostly and that my friends equals a great retirement.

Yep. We have noticed the annual diesel bill is a lot lower these last couple years. I remember not too long ago thinking about the 300 dollar fill ups heading south in the fall. eeek. A lot less painful the last couple years.

Maybe by the time we down size to a b class 24 footer we are hoping the Electric version will be out. Our timetable is always changing but 3 to 7 years I would say. We'll have to wait and see.

[tomman58]

Lindsay is back for a day and some are clamoring to kill this thread, pathetic.

I am thankful for diesel not exceeding $5.00 a gallon. Back in 2008 Diesel went over 5 bucks for a short time. When I put together my budget for retirement I used $7.00 for my fuel requirements. We sure have beat that and when you couple it 3% inflation we have had a great run for those 9 years. Let us hope that now with a glut in oil we can enjoy more years of low costs. When RVing I get 11MPG mostly and that my friends equals a great retirement.

[LindsayRichards]

pianotuna That graph is rated capacity not actual. Solar and wind average less than 25% of the rated capacity, so your chart does not show what you wanted it to. Sorry.

[John___Angela]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
"I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine."

Well then you are killing Salmon!!!

There is NO free lunch. OH let's not forget the horrific Nuclear power.

I think someone should start a new topic and get back to the intent of this thread!

MODERATOR ???

Yep. No free lunch. But then again im not aware of anyone with the illusion there is one. Most are just looking for a better way and maybe ways to do a little less damage. Always important to move forward.

Cheers. Stay safe on the road.

John and Angela.

[Cummins12V98]

"I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine."

Well then you are killing Salmon!!!

There is NO free lunch. OH let's not forget the horrific Nuclear power.

I think someone should start a new topic and get back to the intent of this thread!

MODERATOR ???

[pianotuna]

Hi,

The UK and Germany both have days where they are well over that 50% mark. It won't take long for that to become months.

It appears Iceland, Norway, and Sweden are all over 50% from renewable energy--but not from just solar and winf.


The electric companies are now billing separately for "transmission" costs. That is their new model for staying afloat financially.

I'm more a fan of solar than of wind. The reason is that solar can be designed with no moving parts.

Here is an interesting link:

https://www.cleanenergywire.org/factsheets/germanys-energy-consumption-and-power-mix-charts

It features this graph:

LindsayRichards wrote:
I know of no countries that get 50% of their power from these two sources on a yearly basis,

[LindsayRichards]

There are 3 countries that get most of their power from hydro (Costa Rica, New Zealand, and Norway). This is related to their topography. The environmentalist have sued hydro here in the US preventing any new construction. We haven't built a major dam in the US for over 30 years. We are concentrating on wind and solar. I know of no countries that get 50% of their power from these two sources on a yearly basis, World wide,it is less than 0.5%. Cheap and efficient storage systems don't yet exist. States are starting to outlaw net metering which is unfair to non solar customers.I will be the first on my block to get it when it makes sense.

[John___Angela]

LindsayRichards wrote:
We have over 200 years of natural gas with today's technology. Coal is losing ground in the US due to natural gas due to fracking, but not in most of the world. See link below about coal usage in CHina and India so far this year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-06-26/coal-on-the-rise-in-china-us-india-after-re...



Electric and hybrids make up 0.7% of new vehicle sales and may not be as clean as you think. Most of the recharging power comes from fossil fuels. You are exchanging the tail pipe for the smoke stack. See at link below about making them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WscmJSB2c


The notion that wind and solar are cheaper that natural gas depend on the crazy notion that billions of dollars of medical costs and hundred thousand people die each year from it. Please name one.

I guess it depends where your power comes from. In many countries most of the power does not come from fossil fuel. In my province pretty much all power comes from water falling over a turbine.

Besides. This is more about what the future holds than the present. Lots of good things to come...and all without a tailpipe. ??

[LindsayRichards]

We have over 200 years of natural gas with today's technology. Coal is losing ground in the US due to natural gas due to fracking, but not in most of the world. See link below about coal usage in CHina and India so far this year.

https://www.usnews.com/news/business/articles/2017-06-26/coal-on-the-rise-in-china-us-india-after-record-2016-drop



Electric and hybrids make up 0.7% of new vehicle sales and may not be as clean as you think. Most of the recharging power comes from fossil fuels. You are exchanging the tail pipe for the smoke stack. See at link below about making them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_WscmJSB2c


The notion that wind and solar are cheaper that natural gas depend on the crazy notion that billions of dollars of medical costs and hundred thousand people die each year from it. Please name one.