Tow dolly or not?

[David0725]

Hi guys and Gals. I Am back after selling my HR a couple years ago I just bought a Newmar Dutch star 40ft DP. With my HR I towed 4 down buy sold all that stuff as well. so I was thinking of towing a 2008 lexus es350 front wheel drive with a tow dolly. I heard they can be a pain sometimes but my biggest worry is having a swaying problem? I appreciate any advice. Thank you so much

[JRscooby]

towservice wrote:
Aww I understand, It will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know that how they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
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Thank You.
Somebody that sees the point. The time to learn your brakes are not working in not when a kid chasses a ball out in front of you.

[towservice]

Aww I understand, It will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know that how they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
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[RetiredRealtorR]

JRscooby wrote:

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:


OK, thanks for the education. I bought the dolly in 1999, sold it in 2015, and never an issue. Maybe the quality of the product I bought and my attention to maintenance had something to do with it --- who knows. Still, I'm a big fan of surge brakes.

I'm also a fan of surge brakes, for some uses. If I was going to move skid loader with '55 F5, surge brakes work great. But I could, if had not used trailer for a while, chock the truck to be sure did not roll backward and push trailer with loader, see if tires slide. Also don't need to mess with anything if pulling MT trailer with loaded truck.
But for the average RVer, that will most always tow the same load behind the same vehicle, E-brakes is a better idea. The system will tell you something is wrong, and much easier to find somebody with tool and skillset to repair.
This, IMHO makes the statement

and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

mostly wrong.

So electric brakes cannot come undone or fail, eh? OK

And, not many RVers move skid loaders, at least not that I've seen, but when we start doing it, we'll refer to your comments.

Apples 'n' oranges.

[JRscooby]

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:


OK, thanks for the education. I bought the dolly in 1999, sold it in 2015, and never an issue. Maybe the quality of the product I bought and my attention to maintenance had something to do with it --- who knows. Still, I'm a big fan of surge brakes.

I'm also a fan of surge brakes, for some uses. If I was going to move skid loader with '55 F5, surge brakes work great. But I could, if had not used trailer for a while, chock the truck to be sure did not roll backward and push trailer with loader, see if tires slide. Also don't need to mess with anything if pulling MT trailer with loaded truck.
But for the average RVer, that will most always tow the same load behind the same vehicle, E-brakes is a better idea. The system will tell you something is wrong, and much easier to find somebody with tool and skillset to repair.
This, IMHO makes the statement

and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

mostly wrong.

[RetiredRealtorR]

JRscooby wrote:

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
I confess, I have never used a tow dolly, but when I read a statement like

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

I have to think there is some real Harry Potter snot involved.
Pull up to a CMV check with surge brakes on your Bobcat trailer with surge brakes, the inspectors not likely to be happy. With E-brakes, he can hold is compass next to wheel while checking the brake lights and get a idea they work.
Now I understand, RVs will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
The trailer, I could load, then back up hill before I left the yard. Not sure how well that would work with dolly. Also with the trailer, I could lube the linkage when doing the machine, daily. RVs From what I read once a year is hardship.

Surge brakes operate on momentum, not electricity (which may or may not be connected).

And, with a full trailer (I also owned a Featherlite tandem axle trailer), there's a huge inconvenience finding extra space in a resort or campground, whereas with the dolly, perhaps only a minor inconvenience, if any.

To each his own :C

Surge brakes operate on momentum, not electricity (which may or may not be connected).

I have a firm understanding how surge brakes work, I have owned couple trailers with them, and rebuilt others. When they work, they work off momentum. But, lack of lube on linkage, don't work, or more often do not release. Low fluid, don't work. Little air in system, don't work. Lots of things can go wrong, that average person will not understand.
E brake will not work if not hooked up, but the controller will tell you that it is not hooked up. Like I said before, E brake can be tested in driver seat, before you hit street. Surge brakes, unless you tow often, realize your stopping distance is off, unlikely to know not working.

OK, thanks for the education. I bought the dolly in 1999, sold it in 2015, and never an issue. Maybe the quality of the product I bought and my attention to maintenance had something to do with it --- who knows. Still, I'm a big fan of surge brakes.

[JRscooby]

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:

JRscooby wrote:
I confess, I have never used a tow dolly, but when I read a statement like

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

I have to think there is some real Harry Potter snot involved.
Pull up to a CMV check with surge brakes on your Bobcat trailer with surge brakes, the inspectors not likely to be happy. With E-brakes, he can hold is compass next to wheel while checking the brake lights and get a idea they work.
Now I understand, RVs will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
The trailer, I could load, then back up hill before I left the yard. Not sure how well that would work with dolly. Also with the trailer, I could lube the linkage when doing the machine, daily. RVs From what I read once a year is hardship.

Surge brakes operate on momentum, not electricity (which may or may not be connected).

And, with a full trailer (I also owned a Featherlite tandem axle trailer), there's a huge inconvenience finding extra space in a resort or campground, whereas with the dolly, perhaps only a minor inconvenience, if any.

To each his own :C

Surge brakes operate on momentum, not electricity (which may or may not be connected).

I have a firm understanding how surge brakes work, I have owned couple trailers with them, and rebuilt others. When they work, they work off momentum. But, lack of lube on linkage, don't work, or more often do not release. Low fluid, don't work. Little air in system, don't work. Lots of things can go wrong, that average person will not understand.
E brake will not work if not hooked up, but the controller will tell you that it is not hooked up. Like I said before, E brake can be tested in driver seat, before you hit street. Surge brakes, unless you tow often, realize your stopping distance is off, unlikely to know not working.

[RetiredRealtorR]

JRscooby wrote:
I confess, I have never used a tow dolly, but when I read a statement like

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

I have to think there is some real Harry Potter snot involved.
Pull up to a CMV check with surge brakes on your Bobcat trailer with surge brakes, the inspectors not likely to be happy. With E-brakes, he can hold is compass next to wheel while checking the brake lights and get a idea they work.
Now I understand, RVs will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
The trailer, I could load, then back up hill before I left the yard. Not sure how well that would work with dolly. Also with the trailer, I could lube the linkage when doing the machine, daily. RVs From what I read once a year is hardship.

Surge brakes operate on momentum, not electricity (which may or may not be connected).

And, with a full trailer (I also owned a Featherlite tandem axle trailer), there's a huge inconvenience finding extra space in a resort or campground, whereas with the dolly, perhaps only a minor inconvenience, if any.

To each his own :C

[ferndaleflyer]

Over the long run Doug spent thousands of dollars outfitting 9 vehicles to tow 4 down which was his choice of coarse. I have spent $700 + tires over the same amount of time to tow maybe 25 different cars behind several different motor homes. I wasn't always 81 years old like now but so far this year I have towed to FL and back and twice to Myrtle beach with no problems. But thats just me and the way I like to spend my money.

[Onyrlef]

DouglasC wrote:
I think that the saying "to each his own" works here. As for me, I started out using a tow dolly 30 years ago. That lasted a year! Turns out that the tow dolly was stolen from my back yard while I was away on vacation. All my RVing friends wondered if I had paid someone to steal it! That's because I continuously complained about having to use the tow dolly to haul my car around. What a pain to load and unload the car and then store the tow dolly at a campsite. I took the money the insurance company paid me for the stolen tow dolly and had my car outfitted for towing 4 down. Never looked back!

Have now outfitted 9 vehicles over the past 29 years to tow them 4 wheels down. In my opinion that's money well spent, but of course some would disagree. Anyway, that's my story and I'm stick'n to it!

Thanks Doug,I was tempted to go the dolly route instead of investing to make my truck flat tow ready, you've convinced me otherwise.

[DouglasC]

I think that the saying "to each his own" works here. As for me, I started out using a tow dolly 30 years ago. That lasted a year! Turns out that the tow dolly was stolen from my back yard while I was away on vacation. All my RVing friends wondered if I had paid someone to steal it! That's because I continuously complained about having to use the tow dolly to haul my car around. What a pain to load and unload the car and then store the tow dolly at a campsite. I took the money the insurance company paid me for the stolen tow dolly and had my car outfitted for towing 4 down. Never looked back!

Have now outfitted 9 vehicles over the past 29 years to tow them 4 wheels down. In my opinion that's money well spent, but of course some would disagree. Anyway, that's my story and I'm stick'n to it!

[Leeblev]

There are pros and cons to towing with a dolly. I towed for some time.
Here is what I found:
1. Parking the dolly when space wasn't long enough. Unless the ground was really level,it was very hard, or impossible to move the dolly. I finally installed a receiver on my car so I could move the dolly around.
2. It does take a lot of effort to load/unload the dolly because you have to have enough room to drive onto it straight and need to tie everything down.
3. You may need auxiliary wiring for tail/back up and turn signal lights, depending on length of the car. Some states require lighting if the vehicle extends more than 3' from taillights on the dolly. I wired my vehicle to accept a plug-in for lighting. I towed once with external lights and did damage paint.
4. Must have brakes on the dolly, depending on weight. I would guess that vehicle is heavy enough to require them.
5. The biggest thing for me was parking. Many, many of the RV park spaces were not long enough for my 36' DP, tow dolly and toad. I always had a hassle with that.
6. If you can't tow 4 down, then a dolly is the way to do it.
I never had a sway issue because the hitch was installed properly at right height for towing,

[TexasShadow]

IMO, the only downside to using a dolly is that it gives you, parking wise, the need for a third piece of equipment and lots of rv sites are too small for that.

[RCMAN46]

In the last 20 years or so I have had a lot of Motorhomes towing Toads pass me.
To be fair I would estimate 75 percent or more were towing 4 down.
Having said that I do not recall any on a tow dolly that were swaying.
But I have seem many 4 down that were swaying to the point it was scary but most of the Motorhome drivers would not pay attention to me trying to signal a problem. Some times they would be passing me when I was towing a 5th wheel and I was not able to catch them to try and inform them of a problem. (they were going close to 80 mph and I will not under any circumstance tow a trailer that fast) Even saw one where the front wheels on the Toad was full turned to lock and front tires smoking.

[JRscooby]

I confess, I have never used a tow dolly, but when I read a statement like

RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
and equip it with surge brakes (as opposed to electric -- although unlikely, electric can come undone, surge can't).

I have to think there is some real Harry Potter snot involved.
Pull up to a CMV check with surge brakes on your Bobcat trailer with surge brakes, the inspectors not likely to be happy. With E-brakes, he can hold is compass next to wheel while checking the brake lights and get a idea they work.
Now I understand, RVs will not be checked roadside. But what is the point of brakes if you don't know they work? E or S, worn shoes or out of adjustment need to lift or dismantle to be sure. But the E controller will tell you when not working electrically. And as you pull out, work the control, feel brakes.
The trailer, I could load, then back up hill before I left the yard. Not sure how well that would work with dolly. Also with the trailer, I could lube the linkage when doing the machine, daily. RVs From what I read once a year is hardship.