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whether you like him or not Marcus is standing for the flag

I know this could be a hot topic, BUT it needs to be seen...

Love him, or hate him, he is standing up for his decision to WAVE the American Flag . .

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so much for auto spell check on the phone..
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Nowhere in my post do I agree or disagree with the man......

No need to check my facts.. I just happen to see that link and posted it. There are SEVERAL different links to the story, y'all can do that for yourselves.. Have fun with it

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ford truck guy wrote:
I know this could be a hot topic, BUT it needs to be seen...

Love him, or hate him, he is standing up for his decision to WAVE the American Flag . .

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** This post was edited to keep all the spell checkers happy ! !
so much for auto spell check on the phone..

You should check your facts. The city of Statesville upgraded their ordinance allowing Mr CW to fly a flag up to 1000 square feet and issued a permit to erect such a flag. Instead, Mr CW erected a flag over 2000 square feet and is being sued for it. They did not keep him from displaying our Colors but restricted the size for safety and compliance.

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By Greg Gerber
Editor, RV Daily Report

Camping World has launched a petition on change.org to force cities to allow the company to fly its oversized flags above its retail stores across the nation.

The action was taken in the name of patriotism.

“This is about more than just the flag. This is about our veterans, military, and the men and women that have sacrificed for this great country. They are the reason we fly the flag and they are the reason we will NOT take it down!” the petition states.

I’d have a much easier time believing it was genuine patriotism if the company’s CEO, Marcus Lemonis, didn’t urge people who agree with the current president to boycott his stores.

Camping World has found a marketing niche by flying supersized flags over almost all of its locations. They stand out. They draw attention to what’s underneath. They make it easy to find Camping World or Gander RV stores.

But, should businesses be allowed to fly flags of every conceivable size in the name of patriotism?

Camping World’s flags are big, but they could be even bigger. What is stopping them from erecting a 150-by-75-foot flag suspended between two giant poles?

Cities have zoning laws. Do communities have a right to restrict flags to a reasonable size?

I can’t imagine a community preventing a business from flying an American flag, especially since the same flag flies over every fire station, police station, city hall and government facility across the country.

It’s not like whacked out homeowner’s associations that think they can tell people not to hoist a flag on their property. I suspect cities are okay with businesses flying flags. I haven’t heard of any community prohibiting the display of an American flag by a business.

However, we seem to be delving into a weird area in which simply telling a business to reduce the size of its flag is equated to calling the firm unpatriotic — or ignoring the sacrifices made by men and women in the military.

It’s like saying, “I’m more patriotic than you because my flag is bigger than yours!”

Camping World’s petition is erroneous in that it claims cities like Statesville, N.C., are ordering the company to take down its flag when, in reality, it’s saying the community doesn’t want flags the size of apartment buildings attracting unnecessary attention to the firm hoisting the stars and stripes.

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Part of being an American is abiding by the laws of our Country and Municipalities.
As a Marine I am always happy to see a fellow American fly a flag. There is one flying 24/7 in my front yard. The size of your flag does not denote the size of your patriotism. The company applied for and was given permission to fly a 25 foot by 40 foot flag. If that flag is not large enough to show that your patriotism exists, what is my 2 foot by 3 foot flag doing?
Like was said above, the grossly oversize flag is being used to attract attention to the business. And I would bet it is being deducted as a business expense that would prove it.
Marcus, if you want to really support the Veterans you are using to defend your breaking of laws, start insisting that every RV manufacturer produce at least one model of RV that is ADA compliant and affordable.
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It is about advertising and using the gigantic flag to call attention to the RV sales lot. This has nothing to do with patriotism. If Lemonis was a true patriot, he would respect and honor the laws of the land where he does business. The laws that many soldiers fought and died for. Those laws were changed so he could fly a 1000 sq. ft. flag on his 130 foot tall flag pole. But knowingly and in violation of the law, he is flying a 3,200 sq. ft. flag.

Can anyone tell me that a 1,000 sq, ft. flag is not big enough to show your support of your country?

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All Marcus is standing for is himself. If you're going to post links to a controversial subject, at least post links to the entire story.


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What's True

In May 2019, the city of Statesville, NC, applied for an injunction that would force Camping World and associated companies to comply with city ordinances by either removing a large American flag from one of their locations or replacing it with one that was in compliance with size regulations.
What's False

A Camping World Facebook post omitted crucial contextual information such as: the injunction would allow the company to replace the existing flag with a smaller one measuring up to 1,000 square feet; the city had already given the company a permit for an American flag of that size; the city had already voted to change its ordinance to allow flags 10 times larger than before.



In May 2019, several reports and posts on social media claimed that the city of Statesville, NC, had taken legal action against a camping and outdoors retailer aimed at preventing them from flying the U.S. flag outside their local store.

On 18 May, Camping World posted the following message on Facebook:

The City of Statesville, North Carolina has filed a lawsuit seeking an injunction to require Gander RV in Statesville, NC to take down their American Flag. They are imposing a $50/day fine retroactive to 10/15/18. Many cities like Statesville have requested that Camping World and Gander Outdoors take down their American Flags. WE WON’T DO IT! Stand with us.

This is about more than just the flag. This is about our Veterans, Military, and the men and women that have sacrificed for this great country. They are the reason we fly the flag and they are the reason we will NOT take it down!

The post linked to a Change.org petition inviting readers to sign up and express their support for the company’s stance on the flag. As of 21 May, that petition had attracted more than 100,000 signatures.

The petition was boosted on Twitter by Marcus Lemonis, the controversial CEO of Camping World, who wrote: “I will not budge … I will not compromise … I will not take the flag down”:

I will not budge… I will not compromise… I’m grateful for who I am and what I have and it’s clear to me the reasons why… #usa I will not take the flag down ?@cityofsvl? or any other city pic.twitter.com/i8bTBBxxr4

— Marcus Lemonis (@marcuslemonis) May 18, 2019

In May 2019, the city of Statesville did indeed apply for a court injunction that, if ordered, would force Camping World and associated companies to remove or replace an American flag from their location at Moreland Drive in Statesville and would impose fines of $50 per day — stretching back to October 2018 — until Camping World rectified the situation.

However, the descriptions of the controversy published by Camping World on Facebook and Change.org were woefully incomplete and therefore likely to be extremely misleading, because they failed to mention the following highly relevant details from what is now a four-year battle between city officials and the Illinois-based company:

Statesville was not suing Camping World to prevent them from erecting any and all U.S. flags, rather only one whose large size was in violation of a local city ordinance. The injunction would allow the company to replace the existing flag with a smaller version, measuring up to 1,000 square feet.
The city of Statesville had previously agreed to change a local ordinance in order to expand, by a factor of 10, the maximum dimensions of a governmental flag allowed outside a business in the city.
The city of Statesville had already issued a permit to Camping World to fly a 25-by-40-foot (1,000 square feet) American flag outside their Moreland Drive location.

Background

Beginning in 2014, Section 6.07 of the city of Statesville’s Unified Development Code (UDC) had stated that governmental flags (such as the Stars and Stripes) flown outside local businesses could be no larger then 8 feet high and 12 feet wide (96 square feet) and flown on a flagpole no taller than 40 feet.

In June 2015, Camping World applied for a variance (akin to an exemption) to Section 6.07, to allow the company to fly an American flag measuring 40 feet high and 80 feet wide (3,200 square feet) on a 130-foot flagpole. In August 2015, the Statesville Board of Adjustment denied the application for a variance.

Three years later, in June 2018, Statesville City Council voted to change Section 6.07 of the UDC to allow American flags 25 feet high and 40 feet wide (1,000 square feet) with a flagpole no taller than 130 feet. Shortly thereafter, Camping World applied for, and was granted, a permit to erect just such an American flag at the Moreland Drive location of Gander Outdoors.

However, in August 2018 the company instead erected a 40-by-80-foot flag at the location. According the city’s civil complaint against Camping World, municipal officials twice warned the company that the flag was in violation of the already-expanded restrictions contained in Section 6.07.

At the 1 October 2018 Statesville City Council meeting, members voted 5-3 against a proposal to once again expand the restrictions to allow a 40-by-80-foot American flag such as the one flying at Gander Outdoors.

Two weeks later, according to the civil complaint, the city issued a citation to Camping World, advising that the company had violated Section 6.07 and had been warned of such, and that the city was entitled to take further legal action against the company and to collect a fine of $50 per day, starting from 15 October 2018 until such time as Camping World became compliant with Section 6.07 — a fine that is itself set out in Section 1.07 of the city’s UDC.

Between October 2018 and May 2019, Camping World failed to remove the flag or replace it with one that complied with Section 6.07, and on 7 May, the city filed a civil complaint in Iredell County District Court, seeking an injunction that would force the company to comply with the city ordinance on pain of a further charge of contempt of court, as well as seeking collection of the $50/day fine in addition to legal costs.

None of that four-year backstory was included in Camping World’s widely shared Facebook post or Change.org petition, which stated only that the city of Statesville was bringing a lawsuit to force the company to take down its American flag.

The company made no mention of the fact that the city had already changed the relevant ordinance to allow flags 10 times larger than before, nor that the city had granted Camping World a permit for a flag that would have measured 25 by 40 feet (1,000 square feet), nor that the court injunction, if ordered, would allow the company to replace the existing flag with a smaller one. As such, Camping World’s Facebook post and Change.org petition were woefully and misleadingly lacking in highly-relevant context.

Speaking by phone, Camping World CEO Marcus Lemonis told Snopes.com, “I do accept the fact that our current flag size is in violation of the city’s ordinance,” which he claimed was “unusual in comparison to most cities in America, including most cities in North Carolina.”

However, he vowed that: “We will not be taking the flag down under any circumstances. Zero. None. Never going to happen.” He later added: “You can make the fine $500 a day, $1,000 a day, $5,000 a day — I’ll just pay it. It’s that important to me.”

Lemonis emphasized that he and his company respected and would comply with any restrictions on flags and flagpole heights that were aimed at preventing danger to motorists, passersby, or to air traffic, but that no such public safety rationale had been given in the case of Statesville. He also stipulated that he believed the restrictions in place should be loosened specifically for the American flag, and that he thought similar size restrictions were reasonable for other kinds of flag:

“We will not budge on the size of the American flag, singularly, when we know that there is no danger presented to people or to air traffic.”

Published 21 May 2019
By
Dan MacGuill

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Seattle Steve wrote:
What does weather have to do with it? (Your subject line.)

It's OK to stand with him, as long as you realize the reason behind his stand is 99% advertising and publicity, and 1% patriotism.
Agree x 10! The size of flag you display is not a measure of patriotism. In this instance it is being used as an advertising beacon. There is nothing patriotic about flaunting local laws for corporate gains.

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What does weather have to do with it? (Your subject line.)

It's OK to stand with him, as long as you realize the reason behind his stand is 99% advertising and publicity, and 1% patriotism.

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Tyler0215 wrote:
Another example of an overpaid city worker flexing his muscle. Following the letter of the law, but lacking common sense.

North Carolina as a whole seems to be suffering from advanced stupidity.
Was it really necessary to condemn all of NC for one city ordinance? Sheesh!

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Another example of an overpaid city worker flexing his muscle. Following the letter of the law, but lacking common sense.

North Carolina as a whole seems to be suffering from advanced stupidity.

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I like the guy, but I sure wish he had NOT mentioned anything about $500 per day!
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The city gets $50 a day and Marcus flies the flag. Everybody is happy.
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ford truck guy wrote:
I know this could be a hot topic, BUT it needs to be seen...

Love him, or hate him, he is standing up for his decision to WAVE the American Flag . .

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I only wish he would put as much determination in improving the quality of service in all Camping World Stores for RVer's needed repair and services on their RV.