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Poor Puppy - Travel Plans Put on Hold

TucsonJim
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This is a painful story to relate, but it's a valuable reminder to keep your pets up to date on their immunizations.

In early March, we had a new 8 week old Brittany join our family. She instantly bonded with the DW and me. She's smart, and learning very fast. We took her to the vet right away to make sure she's up to date on all her medications. She checked out to be a healthy girl and is growing fast. She had all her shots and heartworm treatment that are needed for her age. However, they don't give a rabies vaccination until puppies until 16 weeks.

Last Tuesday, I took her out in the back yard to do her business. Being a puppy, I have to constantly see what she's trying to put in her mouth. She ran a few feet in front of me, and I saw her stop to investigate something. I yelled at her to leave it alone, and went to investigate what it was. To my horror, it was a bat that was either dead or dying. I don't know for sure if our puppy bit it, licked it, sniffed it, or just looked at it. So I moved the puppy away from the area, and put a rock on top of the bat so it couldn't fly away if it was still alive. I grabbed a heavy duty plastic bag and flicked the bat into the bag with a stick. Then I double bagged the bat and put it in the refrigerator.

I tried to call our local animal control department, but they were closed for the night. At 8 the next morning, I took the pup to the vet to be examined for any evidence of a bite mark around her mouth or tongue. There was nothing obvious, but sometimes bat bites are very difficult to see. The vet and I decided to give her a rabies shot even though she's not old enough. It might help ward off rabies if she was infected. At 10 am, our animal control office opened up, and they sent an officer to pick up the bat for rabies testing.

We received a call from our county health department at 5pm on Friday afternoon that the bat had rabies! Oh my God. The health department asked us to pen up the dog, and wanted me to verify that I'd had no physical contact with the bat. If I had, I'd have to undergo rabies treatment immediately. Fortunately, when I described what had occurred, they felt that the treatment was not warranted for me.

Now, we are faced with some very difficult decisions regarding the puppy.

The first option is to have our pup euthanized immediately. Sorry, but we've already bonded with this little girl, and I can't see condemning the dog to certain death when we don't even know if she was infected.

The second option, is to put the puppy in quarantine at a veterinarian's facility for six months. If the puppy shows signs of rabies, she'll be euthanized and examined for rabies. We could not imagine the living conditions a new puppy would be subjected to in a sterile environment such as this. She'd have very little social interaction during this period, and her development and socialization skills would be hindered. BTW, we checked with some local vets, and the cost for a six month quarantine is $4000 minimum.

The third option is the one we went with. We are going to quarantine the puppy at our house. We spent the weekend building secure enclosure facilities on our property to make sure she has no contact with other animals or people. My wife and I will interact with her as best we can while still maintaining rigorous safety standards. We will not be able to touch her unless we're wearing full protective clothing such as leather gloves, boots, face mask, etc. We need to keep an eye out for any changes in her demeanor which would signal the onset of rabies. If so, she'll need to be euthanized.

We've done a ton of studying to assure that we'll be safe and to make sure that we recognize the signs and symptoms. If there is an accident and she comes down with the disease, we'll have to be treated for rabies ourselves.

Even though the typical incubation period for rabies in dogs is 2-8 weeks, we need to keep her isolated for 26 weeks to be certain she was not infected. So we'll be staying home this summer instead of taking her on the road with us. But we're praying for a successful outcome and a healthy doggie. At the end of September, she'll hopefully be released, and we'll hit the road.

Please make sure you watch your puppies and get them vaccinated as soon as possible. This is a horrible event to deal with.
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TucsonJim
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Yipee - 30 days now, and she's still very healthy. We'll be hitting the road in a few weeks for our summer travels. We've taken her on a few weekend trips, and she's a great traveler.
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brewjaz
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Thank you for the update on your pup, TucsonJim.

....and thank you, Dr. Doug, for all your help you give us animal lovers.

TucsonJim
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Thanks all, and especially Dr. Doug. It's now been 14 days, and she's a very active and healthy girl. Of course we're still being careful with outside contact, but feeling very optimistic.

We've done some research and rabies is frequently found in this part of Arizona. There are typically 250-300 confirmed cases a year in our state. Since we've already found one rabid bat in our back yard and there are hundreds that nest in the area, we conferred with our vet and decided to give her a rabies shot earlier than normal. We've also built a 10'x10' enclosed kennel that is easier for us to monitor than letting her roam the whole back yard.
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raindove
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What a nightmare to have to deal with. Best wishes for a safe and happy outcome. I think erring on the side of caution is the way to go.

I surely do appreciate Dr Doug's input on this list. Especially in a case like this -- sometimes when at our own vet's we don't think of something.... Dr Doug is very generous with answering concerns on this list.

Thanks, Dr Doug.
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nabi
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What an upsetting situation for you..sorry you have to deal with this .

CA_POPPY
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The next scariest thing to me would be, "Are there more where that rabid bat came from?" There's probably hardly a dog or pup alive that wouldn't run up to check on something flopping on the ground. Crossing fingers that your little girl will be fine.
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dturm
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I think the local health dept and animal control have all the information necessary to make a good decision. I would do a recheck by a health care professional after a 10 day quarantine, then relax a bit but still isolate from other animals just to be on the safe side. Just my opinion.

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brewjaz
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Of course you're still worried.....but I'm sure you're relieved a bit from their findings. Maybe you could speak to your vet (or Dr. Doug on here) about how they feel about the new findings?

TucsonJim
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Thank you all for your concern and best wishes. This has been so bizarre. Today, the animal control department called and said that quarantine is not "required", but would be a good idea. When I asked why the change, they said that based upon the investigating officer's report, there was no evidence of a bite on the dog, no dog bite marks on the bat, and no dog saliva on the bat which would indicate the dog put the bat in it's mouth. Based upon what I can recollect, she most likely sniffed the bat, but didn't put it in her mouth. But I'm just not sure. So, we're going to be very careful, and continue a quarantine on our own just to make sure that she's healthy and not contagious. I'm still very very worried.
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DOTLDaddy
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What a nightmare. ๐Ÿ˜ž

We are wishing both you and your puppy good luck.

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campn4walleye
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Prayers sent your way! I hope that all things turn out well. Keep us posted on her progress.
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dturm
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Methods and times of quarantine and how they are accomplished and whether or not euthanasia is mandated is pretty much out of control of local vets and officials. State laws differ and mandate how each case is handled. Local health departments may step in with more stringent requirements than state, but never more lax.

When importing dogs into rabies free countries or areas (England and Hawaii come to mind) there is (or used to be) 6 month quarantine even for vaccinated animals.

Incubation time varies by species, but it's thought that a dog exposed will show signs with 10 days. Some species can be carriers of rabies and don't show signs of disease for months and months. I think they pick the 6 month as a fail safe time past which it's just about impossible for the dog to have contracted rabies.

Since rabies is a 100% fatal disease if not treated early (OK- there have been a few documented individuals who survived with extensive supportive care), the health officials error on the side of public safety.

Sometimes the laws and regulations we make and have in place don't match the reality as we know it today.

In this situation, I'd think the local health officials would recommend all the people in the family and anyone even tangentially exposed to the bat should get the human rabies prophylaxis vaccine - the one that animal care workers routinely get.

BTW, Indiana mandates that puppies and kittens be vaccinated for rabies at 12 weeks of age, not 16 weeks. Minor difference but the vaccine is labeled for use in animals 12 weeks and older. The 16 weeks is an older protocol.

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ridingfamily4
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colliehauler wrote:
Big difference between 45 days and 26 weeks, I wonder why the difference?

What does DRS Doug says?


I was wondering the same - if incubation is 2-8 weeks, why does she have to be in quarantine for 26 weeks?

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colliehauler
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Big difference between 45 days and 26 weeks, I wonder why the difference?

What does DRS Doug says?

Deb_and_Ed_M
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How heartbreaking (and scary!) Prayers that your puppy didn't touch the bat and all goes well. And thank you for posting this - I might have to think about fencing my dogs away from the area at base of my bat house?
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