A different take on the popular ‘Carbon Dioxide Narrative’

[3_tons]

A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE

3 tons

[3_tons]

nickthehunter wrote:

2112 wrote:
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?

I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.

Agreed, I think of it as ‘generational-acculturation’ - can make it difficult to have a gleeful Thanksgiving Dinner - lol, but gotta Love our kids 🙂

Most (but not all) ‘current’ Pedigrees aside (i.e. *critical thinking no longer academically stressed), may skepticism and the *Socratic method gifted by our wise fore-bearers now RIP…

3 tons

[nickthehunter]

2112 wrote:
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?

I have seen some of the ideas “THEY” have had, I’m not impressed.

[2112]

LOL we're not being cancelled. She certainly wouldn't cancel her 94 yr old grandma.

Her point was the older generation debating and arguing over future technologies that may benefit her in her golden years will be dead and gone by the time it may become reality. Do you really think Millennials believe they can survive without oil? They know they need oil to manufacture products, and whatever they dream up. My son works for Chevron. He's not going to vote himself out of his job.

As for my DD that said we should lose our right to vote and drive, she was being sarcastic. She doesn't want to move back home to become our chauffeur.

[shelbyfv]

Definitely should be more "objective" dialogue concerning the shape of the earth.

[3_tons]

Well, I certainly wouldn’t rule anything out - this is why an ‘objective’ dialogue concerning the merits of CO2 should be embraced rather than shunned-away as “it’s a settled science” (how so??) nonsense…

3 tons

[shelbyfv]

Bummer if you've had hobbies "cancelled." Never been my experience. How many years do you figure before they take your keys?

[3_tons]

Well, based on the one-sided narrative that’s grown legs (CO2 has been ‘proven’ BAD - huh??), what’s to stop our favorite pass-time called RV’ing from being cancelled at the drop of a hat??

3 tons

[shelbyfv]

Gdetrailer wrote:
It is said that history tends to repeat..

Yep, until we learn from it.:h

[time2roll]

2112 wrote:
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?

I mostly agree. Although not through the driving or voting restriction but rather put an age limit of maybe 60 to run for office or re-election. Possibly a supreme should be appointed every two years and make the oldest retire.

What your kids don't realize is that the boomers were controlled by the great generation and the great generation was controlled by those that came before. Always been this way.

Plenty of room for your kids to get involved NOW and run for office if they really want it their way. The choices we have today are very often pathetic.

(in before the lock 🙂 )

[Gdetrailer]

2112 wrote:

As to ‘boomers’ (retrospectively…), where might one go to find all these ‘of a common thought persuasion’ Boomers- (lol)??

That is a laughable question. There are no 'common thought persuasion' individuals in any generation group. What does that have to do with younger generations ideas of the world 30 years from now? They don't agree, but let them work it out. It's their world now. I think you missed the whole point.

Actually while both you, your children and all other currently breathing generations are still living it is not "just their world now".

It is very much "OUR world" unless YOU allow the newer generation to "cancel" you and any older generations (canceling, it is a "thing").

When the newer generations do not want to hear things, thoughts that are counter to what they want to hear they simply cancel out the people and thoughts that do not fit making you and all of your words and advice irrelevant.

By you accepting your "role" in this current and future world being degraded, you have been "cancelled".

Your DD most likely will have her offspring toss those same words in her face and cancel her in the process once the offspring realize her generation has made a even bigger mess than the previous generation.

It is said that history tends to repeat..

[shelbyfv]

I enjoy the internet but a downside is that any nut can post a youtube video. Folks need to make an effort to separate grain from chaff. The video is over 8 years old and if there was then any question of Matt Ridley's credibility, there certainly is none now.

[2112]

I’d appropriately dismiss such as merely ‘popular-by-group-consensus’ notions, or an analysis of import, not of one’s own innate efforts

All my children are very open minded, grounded adults. All professionals in their fields. They're not going to follow the herd. But you can dismiss whatever you please.

As to ‘boomers’ (retrospectively…), where might one go to find all these ‘of a common thought persuasion’ Boomers- (lol)??

That is a laughable question. There are no 'common thought persuasion' individuals in any generation group. What does that have to do with younger generations ideas of the world 30 years from now? They don't agree, but let them work it out. It's their world now. I think you missed the whole point.

[3_tons]

2112 wrote:
I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we would all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?

It’s kinda nice to hear what’s on the younger folks minds :), though I’d appropriately dismiss such as merely ‘popular-by-group-consensus’ notions, or an analysis of import, not of one’s own innate efforts…As to ‘boomers’ (retrospectively…), where might one go to find all these ‘of a common thought persuasion’ Boomers- (lol)??

3 tons

[2112]

I'll follow up with a discussion I recently had with my 36 year old daughter which somewhat opened my eyes.

Her opinion is us boomers should leave politics relating to the direction of our nations future to the people who will be living in it. We should stop trying to dictate what the world should be after we are all dead. We had our years of control and moments that matter. Technology changes with the seasons and it's not our place to say where it should be applied in regards to their future. We should now enjoy our golden years we planned for all those years and not worry about THEIR future and the world THEY will live in. That's their job now. If they want to go green, let them. It's their mistake to make. Only the future will tell and we won't be alive to see the outcome.

I couldn't argue with her. I realized as long as my DW and I can live out our last 20 years or so in comfort why should we try to define what takes place after that. Just don't burn down the house in the meantime.

A few days after that discussion I talked to my 33 yr old daughter about this. She point blank said we have messed things up enough already. Leave the world to them to clean up. Anyone over 65 should lose their right to drive and vote. We're in their way.

I always admired her sharp directness but I felt I took that one between the eyes.

Maybe we should all just chill out, not be so divided as a nation and let the next generation plan their future.

Now, what you say? Think this post will last an hour?

[2112]

3 tons wrote:

2112 wrote:

3 tons wrote:
A cogent construct worthy of serious consideration! (e.g. an anecdote to ‘outcome based’ modeling)…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S-nsU_DaIZE

3 tons

WOW, this it is an old one.
Isn't Matt Ridley that conspiracy theory book peddler who still collects coal royalties?

Got it!…..(don’t like the message, shoot the messenger!!)

3 tons

Firstly, this message has been floating around the internet for years. It's been the topic of many discussions over the years.

Secondly, if calling peoples attention to the messengers well documented actions and history "shooting" him, I plead guilty.