Battery Let MIT Solve The Energy Storage Issue

[MEXICOWANDERER]

I spent one cold winter in Cambridge fifty years ago. Besides immersing myself in electromagnetic studies I learned when the lads and professors challenge a stumbling block they consume it from the inside out.

This is the (sole) existing answer for mass scale energy storage until a functional hohlraum can support fusion emission without distortion or collapse.

For automotive use? Maybe but molten metals in a miniaturization format would be a further challenge. I can easily see the MIT product delivering to a small self contained grid

GO BEAVERS !!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImqmMOkANgg

[GordonThree]

Whatever happened to Dr Goodenough's new battery that was supposed to blow (his previous invention) Li-Ion out of the water ?

[MEXICOWANDERER]

AGREED!

When interested parties wanted to see a prototype battery pulse charger I laughed and told them.

You want ME to manufacture a perfect example of fraud?

Yeah while I keep working a frankencharger would exist with my name on it.

Time to **** or get off the pot. Industries are rife with fraudsters, dream artists and other characters who haven't a firm grip on reality.

Only now reality is touching on AH GEE WILLIKERS THEY AIN'T GOT NO LUNAR POWERED PANELS IN THE WORKS!

Call me a skeptic. Call me anything, but don't call me wrong. The idea of 20,000,000 solo-electric motor vehicles circulating on California roads in 20 years is so absurd as to not earn a laugh. It deserves pity.

[Chum_lee]

As much as I would like to see Prof./Dr. Sadoway succeed with his new liquid metal battery technology, IMO, he's been talking about it for long enough. It's time he put his best working prototype on the stage, wire/load it up, and, let everyone watch it work. He criticizes Elon Musk and his Li-Ion technology along with other newer battery technologies, but after 15 years of research and development, he has nothing to show but a bunch of photos, graphs, diagrams, models, humorous anecdotes, and . . . . . . . . mounting expenses. I'm thinking his investors are getting a little tired of his (up to now) dog and pony show and would like to see his ROI (Return On Investment) chart with some hope of reality vested in it.

Chum lee

[pnichols]

GordonThree wrote:
The electric company built a huge battery about 45 miles south of me, about 40 years ago. Don't know how many megawatts capacity it can store but I wager it's a lot. Used to be recharged with coal but now they use wind.

There's no electrodes to wear out or electrolyte to catch fire. Just water pumped up hill by wind and when they need more juice let it run downhill through the turbines.

Yep ... that's the name of the game and the way to go (we have one of those near us) ... in tune with nature and the environment -> but not much "high tech attraction" for today's get rich quick investors and kindof young 3.7 to 4.0 GPA engineers chasing stock options.

However way out in some of the Australian and other desert flatlands ... huge lithium battery storage banks may have some short term advantage (until too many cell modules begin dying from end of cycle life) over having to run high voltage lines all the way from two reservoirs located a long, long way away.

[pianotuna]

Hi,

Australia seems to be making storage work big time. (40 mil in savings in the first year).

Nuclear 'spin up' time is far worse than coal. Both are in nimby land, now, and both are economic night mares. Spin up gas turbines would be a better choice than either nuke or coal.

If the grid were more proficient then power from renewables could be "shipped" to where the demand is.

agesilaus wrote:
Even if you got an economically functional storage system the energy sources are completely unreliable. Solar has something like a 15-20% availability factor and Wind has been as low as 5% during summer heat (in Texas for one place). So it doesn't matter how good your storage is, if you don't have anything to store. Availability factor is how much time the plant is operating at full capacity. Fossil plants are around 90+%

These 'renewable' plants (with the exception of hydro) require full time 100% spinning reserves. Meaning a fossil fired plant running 24 hours a day to backup the wonder energy producers. Meaning instead of replacing a fossil plant you just add a solar or wind unit on top, increasing the costs. Some customers of offshore wind are paying seven times higher prices for electricity.

There is only one, 100% reliable and non-polluting power source that we have and that is the reviled Nuclear. Orbital solar might work if you don't mind having an orbital death ray for terrorists to seize. Fusion as they say is "the power source of the future and always will be..."

[agesilaus]

Even if you got an economically functional storage system the energy sources are completely unreliable. Solar has something like a 15-20% availability factor and Wind has been as low as 5% during summer heat (in Texas for one place). So it doesn't matter how good your storage is, if you don't have anything to store. Availability factor is how much time the plant is operating at full capacity. Fossil plants are around 90+%

These 'renewable' plants (with the exception of hydro) require full time 100% spinning reserves. Meaning a fossil fired plant running 24 hours a day to backup the wonder energy producers. Meaning instead of replacing a fossil plant you just add a solar or wind unit on top, increasing the costs. Some customers of offshore wind are paying seven times higher prices for electricity.

There is only one, 100% reliable and non-polluting power source that we have and that is the reviled Nuclear. Orbital solar might work if you don't mind having an orbital death ray for terrorists to seize. Fusion as they say is "the power source of the future and always will be..."

[wa8yxm]

"You'd have to be crazy to have molten anything in your vehicle"

Uh... Most of us have molten ICE in our vehicles (Water).

Actually the battery they are talking about.. Let's say you had a BIG solar field and one of those behind your garage (or in a seperate garage) You'd be power fail proof. totally divorced from the local high priced power company. You could power yoru electric car for "Free" Just not practical or thed Car or RV as the storage cell or the VEHICLE. but or the larger system.. Fantastic.

After all there is a Lying Politician who says "Solar don't work cause the sun don't always shine".... Like it has taken how much time off in the last Forever? (not one second has it failed to sine since its inception).

[1995brave]

So, I guess the Lemon Juice battery is no longer a good source of power. 🙂

[valhalla360]

pnichols wrote:
Well ... all over the world where there are canyons and when/where upper and lower reservoirs can be built into them - and when/where evaporation can be replenished in those reservoirs as needed ... has always seemed to me to be best for energy storage in that it duplicates Mother Nature's energy storage method. Pump those reservoirs full using renewable energy when it's available, and then drain them through turbines to generate electricity when renewable energy isn't available.

There are a few pumped storage systems kicking around...problem is they are hugely expensive to build and operate.

Far more effective is smart use of power...peak demand is early evening. Solar panels produce nothing during this time period...so set it up to drop the hose temps to 60F late afternoon, supercool the freezer, take the hot water heater up to 180F...then let them coast thru the peak. Set up washing machines, dryers and dishwashers to wait until mid-day to run...

Lots of things can be done to be more efficient but they aren't as snazzy as fancy technology.

[valhalla360]

agesilaus wrote:

And MIT and others, especially the Japanese schools, have been announcing wonder batteries for years now. We don't see any of them at the store when we go looking for some AA's. Why do they do this? Profs live by their research grants, wonder battery announcements equal research grant money. Period. Follow the money every time. I did see some new iron chemistry battery making it to the market. It is claimed to be an improvement over lithium but time will tell.

Bingo...never take the new battery announcements seriously. Most are little more than curious chemistry experiments

[MEXICOWANDERER]

Yep and for 24 hour service ya bet yer sodding bippy that outback diesel power is anything but affordable. Seven dollars a gallon is a bit rype, myte.

[free_radical]

Batery storage issue?
Have you missed this one

https://electrek.co/2018/12/06/tesla-battery-report/

[MEXICOWANDERER]

If they tapped Yellowstone we could have moving sidewalks and put things in orbit even if it's accidental.

[GordonThree]

The electric company built a huge battery about 45 miles south of me, about 40 years ago. Don't know how many megawatts capacity it can store but I wager it's a lot. Used to be recharged with coal but now they use wind.

There's no electrodes to wear out or electrolyte to catch fire. Just water pumped up hill by wind and when they need more juice let it run downhill through the turbines.

[MEXICOWANDERER]

They'll have to hide fusion plants in the middle of deserts and plains. Giant flash in the sky, plan on cold cuts and salad for dinner. I am convinced my AML was induced by long-term exposure to EMF. Faraday coppertone helmet and vest anyone?










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