Hot refrigerator coils...(Fun Finder)

[cannesdo]

I'm posting for a neighbor. She has a little "Fun Finder" travel trailer. There are two vent panels for the fridge and coils in the lower area feel warm but not too warm but the ones at the top are quite hot. Hot enough that you want to take your finger off it in a few seconds. That doesn't seem right. It's a Dometic. Thanks...

[Chris_Bryant]

dougrainer wrote:

Chris, STOP NOW. This jerk has no idea what he is talking about. I went a few rounds with him a few months ago on how refers work. I hoped he just went away but he is back. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the world. Doug

Yeah- I wouldn't have said anything but for his snarky comment to Jeff. People are smart enough to figure this out on their own.

[Chris_Bryant]

dougrainer wrote:

Chris, STOP NOW. This jerk has no idea what he is talking about. I went a few rounds with him a few months ago on how refers work. I hoped he just went away but he is back. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the world. Doug

Yeah- I wouldn't have said anything but for his snarky comment to Jeff.

[dougrainer]

Chris Bryant wrote:

happycamper002 wrote:


Your absurdity is not helping a bit. . .try again.

Try again at what- pointing out that you apparently don't have a clue as to what you are talking about? I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

Every other single person knows you are wrong- how many ways do I have to prove that? Point out that these refrigerators come from the factory with fans installed, or that they specifically require them, and in fact will not operate correctly without them?

What ever- you can argue with yourself for all I care.

Chris, STOP NOW. This jerk has no idea what he is talking about. I went a few rounds with him a few months ago on how refers work. I hoped he just went away but he is back. He thinks he is the smartest guy in the world. Doug

[Chris_Bryant]

happycamper002 wrote:


Your absurdity is not helping a bit. . .try again.

Try again at what- pointing out that you apparently don't have a clue as to what you are talking about? I'm afraid that ship has sailed.

Every other single person knows you are wrong- how many ways do I have to prove that? Point out that these refrigerators come from the factory with fans installed, or that they specifically require them, and in fact will not operate correctly without them?

What ever- you can argue with yourself for all I care.

[drsteve]

happycamper002 wrote:

Chris Bryant wrote:


Not at all sure what in the world you are talking about, but it has zero to do with what the rest of us are discussing. Everything you wrote here doesn't at all apply.

Since you seem to make a big issue out of this, I invite you to check Chapter 3 Art 300-3 of the NEC.

To cite it partially:

"No wiring systems of any type shall be installed in ducts. . .no wiring systems of any type shall be installed in any duct, or shaft containing only such ducts, used for vapor removal or for ventilation. . . ."

Now, if you have a better argument, I'm all ears.

Well, here is the full passage you have cited:

"No wiring systems of any type shall be installed in ducts used to transport dust, loose stock, or flammable vapors. No wiring system of any type shall be installed in any duct, or shaft containing only such ducts, used for vapor removal or for ventilation of commercial-type cooking equipment."

If you can explain how that applies to a refrigerator in an RV, I'm all ears...

[happycamper002]

Chris Bryant wrote:

happycamper002 wrote:
Analyze carefully what Chapter 3 is referring to about removal hot air for ventilation.

If you have the wherewithal to do so, you won't even make such absurd comment.

Sigh- I guess that means I must remove all of the wiring in my attic. Sorry- I'm just pointing out you are 100% wrong. If that upsets you, so be it.
Yes, I do have a copy of the code, which doesn't at all apply to this situation- speaking of absurd comments, they don't get much more absurd than what you are saying.

Your absurdity is not helping a bit. . .try again.

[Chris_Bryant]

happycamper002 wrote:
Analyze carefully what Chapter 3 is referring to about removal hot air for ventilation.

If you have the wherewithal to do so, you won't even make such absurd comment.

Sigh- I guess that means I must remove all of the wiring in my attic. Sorry- I'm just pointing out you are 100% wrong. If that upsets you, so be it.
Yes, I do have a copy of the code, which doesn't at all apply to this situation- speaking of absurd comments, they don't get much more absurd than what you are saying.

[happycamper002]

Analyze carefully what Chapter 3 is referring to about removal hot air for ventilation.

If you have the wherewithal to do so, you won't even make such absurd comment.

[Chris_Bryant]

happycamper002 wrote:

Chris Bryant wrote:


Not at all sure what in the world you are talking about, but it has zero to do with what the rest of us are discussing. Everything you wrote here doesn't at all apply.

Since you seem to make a big issue out of this, I invite you to check Chapter 3 Art 300-3 of the NEC.

To cite it partially:

"No wiring systems of any type shall be installed in ducts. . .no wiring systems of any type shall be installed in any duct, or shaft containing only such ducts, used for vapor removal or for ventilation. . . ."

Now, if you have a better argument, I'm all ears.

What duct are you talking about? What about all of the wiring on the back of the refrigerator? What about the enclosed flame?

Lastly, what are you talking about (again)?

[happycamper002]

Chris Bryant wrote:


Not at all sure what in the world you are talking about, but it has zero to do with what the rest of us are discussing. Everything you wrote here doesn't at all apply.

Since you seem to make a big issue out of this, I invite you to check Chapter 3 Art 300-3 of the NEC.

To cite it partially:

"No wiring systems of any type shall be installed in ducts. . .no wiring systems of any type shall be installed in any duct, or shaft containing only such ducts, used for vapor removal or for ventilation. . . ."

Now, if you have a better argument, I'm all ears.

[Chris_Bryant]

happycamper002 wrote:
Bad advice and even irresponsible.

Installing fans and wires in either end of heat vent violates fire safety codes. You can't (well you can but you shouldn't) run electric wires inside heat vents and duct works.

If wire insulation catches fire, and blower is running, you are creating a blow torch.

Unless you use specially insulated wires which are fire retardant/fire rated.

This item is not even available for the general consumer, let alone RVs.
They are mostly available for fabricating furnaces, stoves and jet engines.

Not at all sure what in the world you are talking about, but it has zero to do with what the rest of us are discussing. Everything you wrote here doesn't at all apply.

[happycamper002]

SCVJeff wrote:
(YAWN)... Ignore him.. all he does is pick fights with zero information to back up these rants

I'll make sure to keep a distance away from your parking spot in CG.

But I'll be close enough to help you to put out the fire.

I carry three fire extinguishers all the time.

Now, you can stop yawning and take a nap. It's good for your nerves.

[Charlie_D_]

Old-Biscuit wrote:
Fans use a t-stat that is attached to the condenser fins.
Based in fin temp the t-stat closes to start fan(s) and opens to stop fan(s)

Typical temps used are 130*F (close) and 115*F (open)----that is HOT

Other temp range t-stats are available.

Good point and sometimes those TStats stick and do not operate properly. My unit cam with one fan. I added a second. Gotta remove that heat.

[SCVJeff]

(YAWN)... Ignore him.. all he does is pick fights with zero information to back up these rants

[Old-Biscuit]

happycamper002 wrote:
I'm referring to those who are advising installing fans. Of course you need to remove heat in the condenser portion of any cooling system. This heat that is absorbed at the evaporator end needs to be removed by fans but they are not located in the vents.

Go back and reread the other posts.

Norcold & Dometic have ventilation kits which include FANS and baffles for use in the outside compartment

Factory installed fans on fridges in slide outs are standard

Several aftermarket companies have fan kits for installation

This has been a routine occurrence for many years.......All of these companies have Teams of Lawyers

ARPC LLC fans for fridges