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Samlex Inverter Power Draw Question

EMD360
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I just finished a Samlex pure sine wave PST 3000-12 inverter install. I ran 00/2 cables because that was recommended in the user manual. I added a Renogy 30 amp transfer switch with the charger wired to the shore power connections so the charger stays off when shore power is off. It is practically next to the battery compartment under the dinette seat.

I also installed the remote at the entry wall so I can see the readings without bending over like with reading the Victron meter (when not using Bluetooth) or the surge protector which I ordered without the remote by accident.


So my first test was to run the microwave for 1 minute. I was kind of shocked to see the time remaining plunge from 9 hrs to 27 min in power left after only 1 minute.
The 14.6 capable batteries were not fully charged reading 13.37 volts at start. Not sure why they were at that level as they are on shore power so the progressive dynamics 9160L should have them a bit higher.
The voltage dropped to 12.87 in a minute. The Victron reads 98% charge but only 27 min remaining power. Maybe there is something wrong with my meter settings.
Start:

End after 1 minute of microwave power used:


Does this amount of power draw seem about right for this inverter?
2018 Minnie Winnie 25b New to us 3/2021
Former Rental Owners Club #137
2003 Itasca Spirit 22e 2009-2021
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pianotuna
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Nomad III
The Safari batteries are in the same price range as the battleborn?
Regards, Don
My ride is a 28 foot Class C, 256 watts solar, 556 amp-hours of Telcom jars, 3000 watt Magnum hybrid inverter, Sola Basic Autoformer, Microair Easy Start.

Itinerant1
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full_mosey wrote:
Itinerant1 wrote:
EMD360 what brand of lfp batteries are you using? Don't they have low temp protection,
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Splitting hairs here. You have manufactured LiFe 'batteries'.

LiFe cells do not have temp protection. You have an assembled battery of LiFes where the inclusion of a BMS can do the protecting.

HTH;
John
Future LiFe DIYer


What are you talking about???

If you're going to split hairs how about your abbreviation for LiFePO4 or the commonly used abbreviation LFP so not to confuse new comers to the meaning of "life". ๐Ÿ˜‰
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

full_mosey
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Itinerant1 wrote:
EMD360 what brand of lfp batteries are you using? Don't they have low temp protection,
...


Splitting hairs here. You have manufactured LiFe 'batteries'.

LiFe cells do not have temp protection. You have an assembled battery of LiFes where the inclusion of a BMS can do the protecting.

HTH;
John
Future LiFe DIYer

full_mosey
Explorer
Explorer
ktmrfs wrote:

if your shopping for a new microwave for the RV get a panasonic true inverter microwave. doesn't cycle between 0 and 100%, but stays at a fixed % you set and at 50% power will do most of what you want but draw about 1/2 the full power current, Works great with an inverter setup. Doesn't take twice as long at 50%, maybe 25% longer


They also work well with an inverter generator as the constant draw keeps the genny running at a steady rate. No more alternating and irritating sound of full-speed then idle.

HTH;
John

Itinerant1
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3 tons wrote:
Itenerate1 wrote:

โ€œI'm a fulltime rv'er that mostly boondocks that use lfp everyday for over 5 years now with solar as my charger 99% of the time, even if I'm on pedestal powerโ€.

I well concur Sirโ€ฆ We camp 90% of the time off-gridโ€ฆI use the Honda 2200 strictly for extended air cond. run timesโ€ฆLFP charges via solar with a relative (to FLAโ€™s) rapid recovery, though with no real need to routinely top-off to 100% SOCโ€ฆDaily operating range is typically somewhere north of 35% to 90% SOCโ€ฆ

3 tons


With the heat wave happening I've been running the A/C almost everyday for 3-4 hours off of batteries/ solar then switch over to the generator if needed for any longer A/C time. By the time the sun is down my SOC will be 60-65% and morning SOC will be 35% +/-, even with the morning breakfast loads and other daily loads by 1-2 pm it's back to a full pack off of solar to do it over again. LFP/ solar is the cats meow. ๐Ÿ˜‰
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

Itinerant1
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This link will be for the "inards" of the LIon Safari batteries, then to the side of the page will be links to the "tests" he did with the batteries. They appear to be as advertised, it might be worth while to view all of them to gain confidence with the brand and how they'll perform or atleast "should" perform.

https://youtu.be/ODOOOa2bgs8

He didn't have all these videos the last time I viewed his channel and watch them all yesterday. ;):W
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

3_tons
Explorer III
Explorer III
Itenerate1 wrote:

โ€œI'm a fulltime rv'er that mostly boondocks that use lfp everyday for over 5 years now with solar as my charger 99% of the time, even if I'm on pedestal powerโ€.

I well concur Sirโ€ฆ We camp 90% of the time off-gridโ€ฆI use the Honda 2200 strictly for extended air cond. run timesโ€ฆLFP charges via solar with a relative (to FLAโ€™s) rapid recovery, though with no real need to routinely top-off to 100% SOCโ€ฆDaily operating range is typically somewhere north of 35% to 90% SOCโ€ฆ

3 tons

Itinerant1
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I've watched Ray from "Love your rv" on YouTube awhile ago showing/ using the LIon Safari battery, it looked like a decent battery with a bms protecting the battery. If you haven't seen his channel using the Safari batteries check it out.

Once you have your system dailed in to your liking, lfp batteries really are a set it and forget battery. I'm a fulltime rv'er that mostly boondocks that use lfp everyday for over 5 years now with solar as my charger 99% of the time, even if I'm on pedestal power.

I have 2 displays, 1 for the Magnum equipment and 1 for the GBS system, that is where I get the #s in my recorded data. The flat voltage of lfp is nice and as you might have noticed ability to still use high draw appliances at low SOC is nice, plus having the option to use lfp in a PSOC fo long periods with the occasional full charge to reset or resynce your capacity meter to the batteries.
12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

EMD360
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Itinerant1 that is a lot of battery power! Love the spreadsheet Iโ€™m going to look at it more closely. What device do you have that records that info?
I rechecked the BMS on the LIoN Safari batteries and it does shut them down when outside the temperature range. It was in the question and answer info I didnโ€™t see it in the specs.
โ€œThe Safari UT already has an internal Battery Management System (BMS) that acts as a safety net to shut down the battery if it is out of parameters. This prevents the battery from overcharging or discharging as well as operating outside of the temperature range.โ€
2018 Minnie Winnie 25b New to us 3/2021
Former Rental Owners Club #137
2003 Itasca Spirit 22e 2009-2021

time2roll
Nomad
Nomad
EMD360 wrote:
The idea of replacing the micro with a low draw is interesting. The one I have is rated at 900 watts (1.35 kw power consumption) but from the inverter it drew much more. I could try it at 50%.
The label says 900 watts output or cooking power. Add 30% to 50% for input power. Then you lose 10% in the inverter converting from battery power.
I doubt that HighPoint will reduce power at a lower setting. Probably just cycles the megatron at full power.

Itinerant1
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EMD360 what brand of lfp batteries are you using? Don't they have low temp protection, which will stop charging till the cells get above 32F but still allow you to use the batteries? Your #s look ok in the 1st post except for the SOC taking a dive. Here are some recorded #s from my system in April of using microwave, air conditioner and other misc items at different SOC's to give an idea. I do have solar which does help during the day.

12v 500ah, 20 cells_ 4s5p (GBS LFMP battery system). 8 CTI 160 watt panels (1,280 watts)2s4p,Panels mounted flat. Magnum PT100 SCC, Magnum 3012 hybrid inverter, ME-ARC 50. Installed 4/2016 been on 24/7/365, daily 35-45% DOD 2,500+ partial cycles.

EMD360
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The inability to charge them below freezing is a problem. 32ยฐ is not that cold in CO. Iโ€™ll have to remember to turn off the charger at night or unplug in colder weather while we are still using the RV. Iโ€™m considering a seat warmer for the battery compartment. I used them on my old RV as tank warmers.
I think part of the complexity is getting good specs. A reliable BMS from the manufacturer is based mostly on company reputation. It remains to be seen if I get more value from these batteries than from my rocky history with SLA and AGMโ€™s
The idea of replacing the micro with a low draw is interesting. The one I have is rated at 900 watts (1.35 kw power consumption) but from the inverter it drew much more. I could try it at 50%.

I like the idea of running a more disposable appliance like one of my small heaters. Cheap and disposable if it breaks. Thanks.
2018 Minnie Winnie 25b New to us 3/2021
Former Rental Owners Club #137
2003 Itasca Spirit 22e 2009-2021

time2roll
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pianotuna wrote:
time2roll, Yes they work--where it is not -30 or if in a full time situation where there is a way to keep them warm.
Keep them charged and all is fine.
For the premium you pay for the alternative it might be easier to just keep the LFP charged.

3_tons
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pianotuna wrote:
3 tons,

Your comments help the OP in what manner?

time2roll, Yes they work--where it is not -30 or if in a full time situation where there is a way to keep them warm.


Great question - Iโ€™m ALL for FULL disclosure ๐Ÿ™‚ โ€ฆMy comments are based on qualified hands-on camping experience rather than the table-top guesstimating โ€ฆFWIW, this was strictly in response to your aforementioned statement, โ€œthan some folks care to admitโ€โ€ฆHow so??

3 tons

KJINTF
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No Fuss at all!
I highly recommend the LIFE cells
They just work - even in the winters/summers of Montana
Had my 4 LIFE 200amp cells for going on 7 years now
No BMS - just four 200amp LIFE Cells strapped together
Use a simple $15 Cell Log 8 to monitor cell performance
They all track <30mv difference all the time from full charge to full discharge
They easily supply enough for a 2KW psw inverter which powers my 1Kw Microwave