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[flathead92]

Who else is over the steps that you have to lift in and out of RV what a joke cant get in untill to drop steps wth is thinking this is a good thing?

[fj12ryder]

"Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers" don't have a chance when they put the bean counters in charge.

[Lantley]

Grit dog wrote:

Chum lee wrote:
Hummmmm. SUV's, 18 wheel trucks, aircraft, boats, RV's, buildings, towers, amusement park rides, shopping malls, the list goes on and on. Anytime there is a grade change that humans have to negotiate, until humans can levitate themselves, some form of economical, space saving step is required. Are you expecting your RV to come with a loading ramp, escalator, or elevator? At the price you are willing to pay, I don't think so.

Rather than whine about it, what would be your solution? Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers have already given the problem their best shot!

Chum lee

More common sense speak here! No room for that while the inane whining by others is going on.

"Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers have already given the problem their best shot!" Unfortunately none of those mentioned actually used an RV.
The solution is don't make a set of steps that blocks the door and stores inside the RV!
It would seem like a simple idea to leave the exterior steps outside.
However the manufactures discovered they could save money with those ridiculous steps by eliminating the stair cage beneath the RV.
Saving money quickly made a bad idea, standing operating procedure and RV'ers suffer the consequences.

[fj12ryder]

Grit dog wrote:

Chum lee wrote:
Hummmmm. SUV's, 18 wheel trucks, aircraft, boats, RV's, buildings, towers, amusement park rides, shopping malls, the list goes on and on. Anytime there is a grade change that humans have to negotiate, until humans can levitate themselves, some form of economical, space saving step is required. Are you expecting your RV to come with a loading ramp, escalator, or elevator? At the price you are willing to pay, I don't think so.

Rather than whine about it, what would be your solution? Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers have already given the problem their best shot!

Chum lee

More common sense speak here! No room for that while the inane whining by others is going on.

Or the inane whining about said whining. Wow, 4 posts in a row all whining about the inane whining.

[Grit_dog]

With enough complaining maybe legislature can mandate ADA access for all RVs…seems the geriatric population is being unduly discriminated against by the big bad RV industry! Lol!
We already have BIPOC Environmental Justice as a recent buzzword and initiative in many areas.
I’m proposing the OPRVAI go before the house and senate. (that’s Old People RV Access Initiative…)

[Grit_dog]

Chum lee wrote:
Hummmmm. SUV's, 18 wheel trucks, aircraft, boats, RV's, buildings, towers, amusement park rides, shopping malls, the list goes on and on. Anytime there is a grade change that humans have to negotiate, until humans can levitate themselves, some form of economical, space saving step is required. Are you expecting your RV to come with a loading ramp, escalator, or elevator? At the price you are willing to pay, I don't think so.

Rather than whine about it, what would be your solution? Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers have already given the problem their best shot!

Chum lee

More common sense speak here! No room for that while the inane whining by others is going on.

[Grit_dog]

deltabravo wrote:
I hate them too. The are annoying to pack up if your departure from camp is on a rainy day.

But doesn’t the rain wash off the mud that the other backcountry 5ver campers are complaining aboot?
Or is there too much OCD involved to get a few drops of water on the camper floor? Lol

[Grit_dog]

valhalla360 wrote:
If you have a trailer that rides low to the ground and you only need 1 or 2 steps, it's a valid point.

With a lot of the modern trailers where you need at least 3 and often 4 steps, the leverage results in a diving board effect, particularly on the bottom step. On a prior unit, we took to putting a jack stand under the last step to minimize the issue. With the current trailer we have the new style that folds up into the door and they are so much more stable...

From the manufacturers point of view, it makes floorplan layouts easier as the underhung steps need appropriate frame attachment points. The fold into the door steps can go just about anywhere.

PS: Queue the claims that you just need to buy the good version that defies the laws of physics....

Don’t get all practical here. We’ve got a good useless complaining about something insignificant going on here….cheers Valhalla!

[Chum_lee]

Hummmmm. SUV's, 18 wheel trucks, aircraft, boats, RV's, buildings, towers, amusement park rides, shopping malls, the list goes on and on. Anytime there is a grade change that humans have to negotiate, until humans can levitate themselves, some form of economical, space saving step is required. Are you expecting your RV to come with a loading ramp, escalator, or elevator? At the price you are willing to pay, I don't think so.

Rather than whine about it, what would be your solution? Architects, engineers, contractors, and industrial designers have already given the problem their best shot!

Chum lee

[fj12ryder]

If you have to keep your trailer at a storage facility periodically, you'll really love them when you find you can't get into your trailer because the trailer next to you is too close, and they can't be put down. Oops, now you have to hook up, take off the wheel covers, remove the wheel chocks, raise the landing gear, and pull the trailer out a few feet so you can get in, then reverse it all when finished inside. How wonderfully convenient.

[deltabravo]

I hate them too. The are annoying to pack up if your departure from camp is on a rainy day.

[valhalla360]

If you have a trailer that rides low to the ground and you only need 1 or 2 steps, it's a valid point.

With a lot of the modern trailers where you need at least 3 and often 4 steps, the leverage results in a diving board effect, particularly on the bottom step. On a prior unit, we took to putting a jack stand under the last step to minimize the issue. With the current trailer we have the new style that folds up into the door and they are so much more stable...

From the manufacturers point of view, it makes floorplan layouts easier as the underhung steps need appropriate frame attachment points. The fold into the door steps can go just about anywhere.

PS: Queue the claims that you just need to buy the good version that defies the laws of physics....

[ktmrfs]

Add to the issues, the sand and mud on the steps is now in the trailer.

Personally I'm glad our trailer has the old style steps.

[fj12ryder]

Nv Guy wrote:

Gooma wrote:
To each there own. Ours has the fold out steps and both DW and I love them. Much more stable than the fold out kind. I am never so rushed I can't spend a few minutes adjusting the steps or cleaning them off when packing up.
If you don't like 'em don't get 'em.

Only problem is you can not get them. It seems that all the manufacturers have drank the kool aid regarding these steps. In our case, when the 5th wheel is home we don't have the room to use them.

The manufacturers put them in because they're cheaper than the fold out steps, that's the only reason. If the fold out steps were cheaper, that's what we'd all have.

[fj12ryder]

Don't have the option, or I would. I pulled up to a spot with a concrete patio. Found out that the patio was too high to allow the solid steps to pivot down far enough to close the door. I spent more than a few minutes re-situating the trailer. Luckily at 73, I'm still mobile enough that I can easily navigate the fold out stairs. I understand some people have mobility problems.

[Nv_Guy]

Gooma wrote:
To each there own. Ours has the fold out steps and both DW and I love them. Much more stable than the fold out kind. I am never so rushed I can't spend a few minutes adjusting the steps or cleaning them off when packing up.
If you don't like 'em don't get 'em.

Only problem is you can not get them. It seems that all the manufacturers have drank the kool aid regarding these steps. In our case, when the 5th wheel is home we don't have the room to use them.