Underground 250ft run

[Red_man]

I need to put a 30 amp 125 volt outlet 250 feet away from main panel I need to know what size wires to get or romex and material needed, outlet is going to be for travel trailer and will be occupied.

[MFL]

Locating service may be different by region, but in my area, they mark whatever area you plan to dig. Front yard/back yard, public right of way, they cover it all, when you call. No charge for service, but can't speak to damage, for not calling.

Yup, they say "call before you dig", and seem happy that you did.

Jerry

[2oldman]

Grit dog wrote:
Lol. You’re upset that a public utility company won’t go above and beyond to do favors for every private landowner with their own private utilities that are of no responsibility to nor any control of by the utility company?

And you're upset that I'm upset. I can always count on you for a smart-aleck answer.

What I don't get is that they post these signs "Call before you dig", but, if they only locate up to private property, that would indicate they only locate in the public right-of-way. Why would I be digging up the public right-of-way?

What am I missing here?

[way2roll]

OP has left the building.

[ktmrfs]

rhagfo wrote:

2oldman wrote:

stevenal wrote:
private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them.

Unable meaning unwilling. That makes no sense. They will let a homeowner run the risk of digging up a line rather than spend 10 minutes locating it. I'll go out on a limb here and submit it's a liability issue.

Utility companies are only required to mark location of underground cables to the meter, after that it is private cabling. There are companies that will for a price come out and attempt to locate underground utilities.

At least around here 811 is a free service, likely funded by the utility companies and gov't. Purpose is to keep YOU from damaging THEIR utility and then YOU needing to pay for the damage. Saves both parties from possible damages and at a minimum expense to repair. Worst cast injury or death getting across an underground power line.

Whats on YOUR side of the utilities is YOUR repsonsibility and on YOUR dime to locate.

What is interesting in our area is that Sewer becomes your repsonsibility as soon as it hits your property line so all the sewer locate will do is mark from the manhole cover to the street.

[rhagfo]

2oldman wrote:

stevenal wrote:
private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them.

Unable meaning unwilling. That makes no sense. They will let a homeowner run the risk of digging up a line rather than spend 10 minutes locating it. I'll go out on a limb here and submit it's a liability issue.

Utility companies are only required to mark location of underground cables to the meter, after that it is private cabling. There are companies that will for a price come out and attempt to locate underground utilities.

[ktmrfs]

2oldman wrote:

stevenal wrote:
private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them.

Unable meaning unwilling. That makes no sense. They will let a homeowner run the risk of digging up a line rather than spend 10 minutes locating it. I'll go out on a limb here and submit it's a liability issue.

Newer (at least 1978 or later) construction has a tracer wire buried with the utility which makes it easy to trace. Once it hits the end of the utility service, likely no tracker wire which makes it harder to trace. And then copper/galvanized pipe, electrical wires are easier to trace w/o a tracer wire.

[Grit_dog]

2oldman wrote:

stevenal wrote:
private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them.

Unable meaning unwilling. That makes no sense. They will let a homeowner run the risk of digging up a line rather than spend 10 minutes locating it. I'll go out on a limb here and submit it's a liability issue.

Lol. You’re upset that a public utility company won’t go above and beyond to do favors for every private landowner with their own private utilities that are of no responsibility to nor any control of by the utility company?

[2oldman]

stevenal wrote:
private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them.

Unable meaning unwilling. That makes no sense. They will let a homeowner run the risk of digging up a line rather than spend 10 minutes locating it. I'll go out on a limb here and submit it's a liability issue.

[stevenal]

NM 811 wrote:
Will my private utility lines be marked? No. Member utilities companies are responsible to mark only the facilities that they own or maintain. Private underground pipes and cables may not be owned or maintained by member utility companies, therefore they are unable to locate them. Private utility lines are lines commonly between the meter and a home or utility lines that were installed by the home owner to out buildings, etc. It is your responsibility to investigate if any privately-owned utilities are in the area.

NM 811

To get to your house and meter, utility must run lines on private property. By law, they are responsible for locating them, and you will be liable for repair if you damage them. Beyond the meter is all yours.

[ktmrfs]

2oldman wrote:

opnspaces wrote:
True, call before you dig and make sure there are no utilities in the way that you are not aware of.

811 is an odd service around here. The electric utility won't locate on private property, but the internet provider will, and I lucked out that they would locate the power to my garage. My water utility won't do PP either, and of course nobody has UG utility schematics.

Not a big help.

Interesting. here when you call 811 ONE person comes out and locates utilities on your property and easments. Water, electric, gas, cable/internet, POTS lines if they are still used,

Now the location is generally only the portion the utilities are responsible for, not additional stuff beyond the service.

[2oldman]

opnspaces wrote:
True, call before you dig and make sure there are no utilities in the way that you are not aware of.

811 is an odd service around here. The electric utility won't locate on private property, but the internet provider will, and I lucked out that they would locate the power to my garage. My water utility won't do PP either, and of course nobody has UG utility schematics.

Not a big help.

[opnspaces]

True, call before you dig and make sure there are no utilities in the way that you are not aware of.

[2oldman]

opnspaces wrote:
But look at the whole picture. Do you have to go through a wall, is there a sidewalk, a water line, a tree with big roots or a sprinkler system in the way?

Don't forget 811.

[opnspaces]

I'm an RV.net professional and nothing more.

I'm agreeing with the others that based on your posts you really should hire an electrician to do the hookup and make sure you have an adequate size wire. If you have Yelp in your area search for electrician and then click on the "Request a quote" link and put in your request.

"Installing a 30 amp 125 volt RV outlet 250 feet away from main panel I will provide the trenching and materials. Paying for your expertise regarding trench depth, wire gauge etc plus to do the final hookup."

It will go out to multiple people and somebody it bound to text you some kind of quote.

Where I live trenching is about 10 dollars a foot. So I can see him quoting 2,500 for the trench alone. Call an equipment rental place and see what it costs to rent a trencher for 4 hours. Around here that's $75. If it's just plain ground with no pavers or concrete in the way you can have it trenched in under an hour. But look at the whole picture. Do you have to go through a wall, is there a sidewalk, a water line, a tree with big roots or a sprinkler system in the way?

[theoldwizard1]

Mobile Home Feeder (MHF) cable is aluminum and can be direct buried. If you are going to run conduit, use single strand THWN.