Carbon ceramic pads question

[scootsk]

Hey all

Just ordered Power Stop carbon fiber ceramic severe duty truck& tow pads for my 2014 Ram 3500 CC LB dually. Most of the driving in that truck is towing out 14k lb. FW. My question, is it okay to use carbon fiber Ceramic pads with the stock rotors?

[StonedPanther]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
I just don't understand this tricked out brake stuff. My truck has 145,000 on it and the brakes were inspected at 115,00 and the mechanic said the brakes looked like brand new. And this is with 40% towing.

You get 145,000 miles out of the OEM brakes? LOL. Good for you. I bet you also get 35 mpg out of a V8 pickup LOL.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

The ONLY reason, and I do mean ONLY reason for slotted and drilled rotors on race cars is weight reduction. That's it. Weight reduction.

BS to put it simply.

Turtle n Peeps wrote:

And then you have people that want slotted and drilled rotors. WTH? Do you really want to reduce the thermal load your rotors can absorb?

Yes, exactly the point. You contradict yourself. I thought the only thing they accomplish is "weight reduction"? BTW there is a big difference between "Absorption" and "Dissipation".

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
they know little to nothing about.

Well you said it, Obviously.

[Grit_dog]

Weight reduction, far secondary. Cooling, for the drill holes and de glazing for the slots. That’s what they’re for.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Like was said above, yes you can run them on stock rotors.

That being said, I just don't understand this tricked out brake stuff. My truck has 145,000 on it and the brakes were inspected at 115,00 and the mechanic said the brakes looked like brand new. And this is with 40% towing.

Lets be honest here, any stock brakes can override the tire traction many times over. IOW's the limiting factor is tires. Never brakes. Never ever, ever brakes. Not even close.

In fact, the last time I had brake fad was like 35 or 40 years ago and that was on a 69 Chevy pickup with 4 wheel drum brakes towing a trailer with no brakes with 4 brake panic stops in a row. And the truck more than likely had asbestos shoes.

And then you have people that want slotted and drilled rotors. WTH? Do you really want to reduce the thermal load your rotors can absorb?

The ONLY reason, and I do mean ONLY reason for slotted and drilled rotors on race cars is weight reduction. That's it. Weight reduction.

Why on earth do people towing a 7 to 15K trailers need weight reduction?

Anyway, my point is manufactures do millions of dollars of research on brakes and people change up their brakes to something else that they know little to nothing about.

[Grit_dog]

fj12ryder wrote:

Grit dog wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Don't see why not. If it wasn't okay, send them back and get some regular ol' brake pads. Fancy sounding pads just cost more. Unless you're going racing hi zoot brake pads are not really necessary. Just another way to separate you from your money.

Clearly someone who doesn’t understand what they’re talking about. Or happens to like copious amounts of brake dust….
Don’t worry 12V will be along to support you in the “ceramic pads are dumb” comments.

Myself, I prefer equal or better performance, long life and mostly my wheels not looking like I haven’t washed them in a month, 2 days later.

To the OP yes ceramic pads are just fine with stock rotors. Just burnish the rotors good to side in bedding the pads unless you get really good pads like EBC with a bedding compound on them. Even still it is best to scuff the rotors completely.

I like ceramic, personally I don't care if the wheels get a little dusty, but spending a lot of money for high zoot stuff, when the basic ceramic will do the job 90% as well, makes no sense to me. I sometimes forget that subtle is wasted on some. 🙂

Nope not wasted here. I’m a penny pinching sob myself. What you’re failing to recognize is that these brake pads don’t cost any more (maybe less) than a quality set of heavy duty semi metallic pads. And beings the OPs truck is 9 years old, strong chance they need replaced anyway (or he wouldnt have waited 9 years to get rid of the yummy brake dust on his wheels).
That said I’ve chit canned plenty of perfectly good brake pads for ceramic simply so the wheels don’t look like a dogs breakfast 2 days after washing them. But I like my vehicles to look as nice as they run….obviiisly not everyone’s priority. I spend as much a month in beer n chew as a new set of brake pads. If I couldn’t afford them id deal with the brake dust though.
Sometimes, not often with 2 young men eating out of the fridge, I’ll even commit the sin of throwing away leftovers. But usually not unless I’ve eaten the same thing 2-3 times!
Lol

I’ll assume you spend zero dollars on keeping up or improving the appearance of your vehicles if you think this is such a wasteful expense.

[Grit_dog]

opnspaces wrote:
Short answer is yes. It's a brake pad sold for that truck and it will work on your stock rotors.

Yup 10-4, over n out. Next caller please. This is not an actual issue. I promise.

[fj12ryder]

Grit dog wrote:

fj12ryder wrote:
Don't see why not. If it wasn't okay, send them back and get some regular ol' brake pads. Fancy sounding pads just cost more. Unless you're going racing hi zoot brake pads are not really necessary. Just another way to separate you from your money.

Clearly someone who doesn’t understand what they’re talking about. Or happens to like copious amounts of brake dust….
Don’t worry 12V will be along to support you in the “ceramic pads are dumb” comments.

Myself, I prefer equal or better performance, long life and mostly my wheels not looking like I haven’t washed them in a month, 2 days later.

To the OP yes ceramic pads are just fine with stock rotors. Just burnish the rotors good to side in bedding the pads unless you get really good pads like EBC with a bedding compound on them. Even still it is best to scuff the rotors completely.

I like ceramic, personally I don't care if the wheels get a little dusty, but spending a lot of money for high zoot stuff, when the basic ceramic will do the job 90% as well, makes no sense to me. I sometimes forget that subtle is wasted on some. 🙂

[Grit_dog]

StonedPanther wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:
First question...why do you feel the need?

Perhaps he's down to 15%- 20% on the pads and does not get into listening and feeling to metal grind against metal would be my guess.

Seems plausible. 360s question would have been much more valid if the OP said he had a 2022 truck…
That said I’ve thrown away basically every organic or semi metallic pad on any vehicle I’ve bought in the last 10-15 years and swapped to ceramic. Mostly because copious amounts of brake dust stuck to wheels hurts my brain….but in the case of our SRT, it was not only brake dust, but the pads that come with the big Brembo brakes were actually TOO good for daily driving. Wonderful for track use but toning down the brake response of those 6 piston calipers with the super soft OE pads really improved the drive ability.

[opnspaces]

Short answer is yes. It's a brake pad sold for that truck and it will work on your stock rotors.

[time2roll]

What does the pad manufacturer say? After all they designed and tested them for some special purpose.
Maybe the brand, part number or a link would help people know what is actually on the table here.

[valhalla360]

StonedPanther wrote:

valhalla360 wrote:
First question...why do you feel the need?

Perhaps he's down to 15%- 20% on the pads and does not get into listening and feeling to metal grind against metal would be my guess.

If the brakes are grinding to the point you can hear it and it's to the point of being annoying, a regular brake job should fix the problem without getting exotic.

So again to the OP, what is the problem you are trying to fix?

[StonedPanther]

valhalla360 wrote:
First question...why do you feel the need?

Perhaps he's down to 15%- 20% on the pads and does not get into listening and feeling to metal grind against metal would be my guess.

[StonedPanther]

They'll be fine with the stock rotors although if I was going with the Z36 Powerstop pads, why not just drop a few hundred $ and get the whole kit? On a 2014 you probably need to replace the rotors anyway just from rust damage if you are driving that rig in NY during the winter. Swap the stock rotors out with Z36 drilled and slotted rotors. The Powerstop Z36 stuff is miles above and beyond anything OEM or sold at the rip off auto part store such as regular ol brake pads like Duracrap in quality, and is specifically made for towing and hauling. The only way you could go better is go with EBC and then you'll really pay out the butt lol.

[Grit_dog]

fj12ryder wrote:
Don't see why not. If it wasn't okay, send them back and get some regular ol' brake pads. Fancy sounding pads just cost more. Unless you're going racing hi zoot brake pads are not really necessary. Just another way to separate you from your money.

Clearly someone who doesn’t understand what they’re talking about. Or happens to like copious amounts of brake dust….
Don’t worry 12V will be along to support you in the “ceramic pads are dumb” comments.

Myself, I prefer equal or better performance, long life and mostly my wheels not looking like I haven’t washed them in a month, 2 days later.

To the OP yes ceramic pads are just fine with stock rotors. Just burnish the rotors good to side in bedding the pads unless you get really good pads like EBC with a bedding compound on them. Even still it is best to scuff the rotors completely.

[valhalla360]

First question...why do you feel the need?

You shouldn't be riding the brakes down hills and if you drive defensive, panic stops are rare.

[fj12ryder]

Don't see why not. If it wasn't okay, send them back and get some regular ol' brake pads. Fancy sounding pads just cost more. Unless you're going racing hi zoot brake pads are not really necessary. Just another way to separate you from your money.