Tesla Semi truck unveil & test ride set for Oct 26th !

[8_1_Van]

Everything We Know About Tesla's Semi Truck

I wonder what the range is ?

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

mich800 wrote:

BenK wrote:
Yup...that happens in all of the industries been in...but...all parties agreed that the parts did not meet spec

Many times a combo of shipping costs are less if fixed locally...or...original vender’s production facilities would both be disrupted and/or not setup for that work and a big etc...

In this case...all sides are pointing fingers and urinating at each other...

Vender says built to spec...they are correct...

Tesla says doesn’t work...they are correct...

Another is that to ship some of these parts back would take too long...even if that vendor would agree to rework them...

Of course, there are many, many other scenarios and much more appeasing to the Fan-Boy base...

After actually reading the article one could come to the conclusion that Tesla is NOT a manufacturer. There is no way at this stage of production they should be doing this many on the fly design changes. Not that design changes do not happen but it sounds like these are issues that should have been corrected in the pre-production stage not running vehicles off the line for consumers.

The problem is Tesla did not do any "soft tooling".

With the money burn he was in and with an ego bigger than the Graf Zeppelin Musk thought he didn't need soft tooling.. He was warned by a lot of people that this would not work. Just like the robot deal he told them to jam it and that he could do it because he was smarter then everybody else because he builds electric cars.

LOL, how is working for you now Elon?

You have 2 weeks to make it to the 5,000/week mark like you said you would.

Tick, tick, tick, tick, tick...…………………………………………...

[NJRVer]

mich800 wrote:

BenK wrote:
Yup...that happens in all of the industries been in...but...all parties agreed that the parts did not meet spec

Many times a combo of shipping costs are less if fixed locally...or...original vender’s production facilities would both be disrupted and/or not setup for that work and a big etc...

In this case...all sides are pointing fingers and urinating at each other...

Vender says built to spec...they are correct...

Tesla says doesn’t work...they are correct...

Another is that to ship some of these parts back would take too long...even if that vendor would agree to rework them...

Of course, there are many, many other scenarios and much more appeasing to the Fan-Boy base...

After actually reading the article one could come to the conclusion that Tesla is NOT a manufacturer. There is no way at this stage of production they should be doing this many on the fly design changes. Not that design changes do not happen but it sounds like these are issues that should have been corrected in the pre-production stage not running vehicles off the line for consumers.

Is any major car company a manufacturer any more?
Doesn't just everybody outsource the parts to vendors and then car company is just an assembler.

[thomasmnile]

Huntindog wrote:


3400 mortgages now at risk, and 3400 good families now are going to suffer..... As a result of Elon's failed leadership.


I seriously doubt that Elon's ego will allow this to happen.

At Tesla's annual shareholder meeting last month a vote was taken to have Musk relinquish the CEO position. 80 percent of shareholders present voted no.

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[mich800]

BenK wrote:
Yup...that happens in all of the industries been in...but...all parties agreed that the parts did not meet spec

Many times a combo of shipping costs are less if fixed locally...or...original vender’s production facilities would both be disrupted and/or not setup for that work and a big etc...

In this case...all sides are pointing fingers and urinating at each other...

Vender says built to spec...they are correct...

Tesla says doesn’t work...they are correct...

Another is that to ship some of these parts back would take too long...even if that vendor would agree to rework them...

Of course, there are many, many other scenarios and much more appeasing to the Fan-Boy base...

After actually reading the article one could come to the conclusion that Tesla is NOT a manufacturer. There is no way at this stage of production they should be doing this many on the fly design changes. Not that design changes do not happen but it sounds like these are issues that should have been corrected in the pre-production stage not running vehicles off the line for consumers.

[BenK]

Yup...that happens in all of the industries been in...but...all parties agreed that the parts did not meet spec

Many times a combo of shipping costs are less if fixed locally...or...original vender’s production facilities would both be disrupted and/or not setup for that work and a big etc...

In this case...all sides are pointing fingers and urinating at each other...

Vender says built to spec...they are correct...

Tesla says doesn’t work...they are correct...

Another is that to ship some of these parts back would take too long...even if that vendor would agree to rework them...

Of course, there are many, many other scenarios and much more appeasing to the Fan-Boy base...

[mich800]

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

If these parts are not going back to the original manufacturer for rework doesn't mean they're not getting the bill unless these parts were made to spec like you claim.

This is actually fairly typical in the automotive industry. The parts can be sent directly to an outsourced company for rework and there are companies that come to the factory and sort parts and do the rework. In either case these fees are backcharged to the supplier.

[Huntindog]

9% or about 3400 families whose financial future has now taken a dramatic turn for the worse,

3400 mortgages now at risk, and 3400 good families now are going to suffer..... As a result of Elon's failed leadership.

The only possible path forward as I see it is for Elon to step aside, and let someone more suited to running a large production facility take charge.

I seriously doubt that Elon's ego will allow this to happen.

The future for the remaining employees doesn't look good.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

FishOnOne wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

If these parts are not going back to the original manufacturer for rework doesn't mean they're not getting the bill unless these parts were made to spec like you claim.

The blame game goes on and on...….. as parts pile up.

It doesn't really matter who's fault it is. When you don't have parts you can't build cars.

BTW, bet is still on for Musk not making 5000 cars/week average until the end of the year. Any takers?


On edit everything Ben has said is correct. One the money!

[BenK]

Tolerance stack up....AKA “Geometric Dimensioning and Tolerancing (GD&T)”...look it up

All parts can be to specifications...but if all the parts are on one end (small or large)...they may not fit together

An example...the hole for a sleeved bushing might be within spec, but on the small dia side...then the outer metal sleeve with a high pressure and high heat is injected with bushing material...

So they are both made to spec....but...can NOT be pressed together...

Stuff like that, which is junior design stuff...

Or...say the angular position of the control arm...from the inside mounting bushings...but...the tolerance stack now has the brake/king-pin won’t fit...nor be a safe assembly...

Stuff like that and another junior design stuff...

That original vendor made it to spec...incoming quality control inspection passed it...so incomeing DB is marked accepted and it is listed to be paid...

That then has junior folks arguing, pushing the vendor to take it back for rework...but..that vendor wants to be paid for that rework...and it becomes a urination cycle...

In a panick...management sends that part...or both parts out to a 3rd party...AKA...Guido’s machine shop...but Guido’s shop was s not on their approved venders list...Tesla now has to bring them up to speed and listed on their AVL...

But wait a minute...receiving was NOT in on that ECO...so they reject that reworked part...tilll management firgures that out and signs off on that second receiving cycle...

Been there...done that...

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

NJRVer wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

So all those defective engines Nav made were made to Ford's faulty specs I guess.

Nav made the engines EXACTLY to Fords specs. Ford "tuned" the engines to their specs AGAINST Nav's protests. In those days the Dmax and Cummins made more power so Ford wanted to keep up in the HP race. That made the cylinder pressures go sky high...…….and the rest as they say is history! :B

[FishOnOne]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

If these parts are not going back to the original manufacturer for rework doesn't mean they're not getting the bill unless these parts were made to spec like you claim.

[NJRVer]

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

So all those defective engines Nav made were made to Ford's faulty specs I guess.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

Troy, that's the problem. They are not going back to the supplier. They are going "Guido's machine shop." It's the same deal as the 6.0 Ford.

Ford told Nav to pay for warrantee work. Nave told them to stick it. Ford said fine; we are not going to pay for the thousands of 6.4's you sent us. Nav said fine, you want to be that way you get no more engines. (Pretty hard to build a truck if you have no engines to put in it)

Pretty hard to build a Tesla if you have no suspension wish bones to put in your cars. This is why they are being sent to Guido's machine shop for rework.

If I had to bet I would bet the parts from the suppliers are to the specs they were given.

[FishOnOne]

BenK wrote:
Depends which source is quoted...

".....The cuts are almost entirely made from salaried employees...."...note '

almost entirely

'...

http://fortune.com/2018/06/12/tesla-layoffs-workers/

But...bottom line...Musk is facing a huge management issue that is mainly of his making

Like finally announcing flattening his organization...hello Musk...that is MBA 101 management metric that most MBA's forget about...

Or his comment of the cloud based upgrade to Model 3 braking to become the best in class...well...why didn't you do that in the first place?...or did the internal certification process miss that one???

Another thing that is about to pop up...anyone drive by their Fremont factory? I do often to meet with clients and cruise a bit over to their HUGE lots all over the place around the main factory...

There are pallets and pallets of parts just sitting out on the lots, parking areas and even out in the dirt. Been there a loooong time and am informed that they are going to go to jobbers to bring them up to spec...what???...am told that they were not made to spec...but were allowed to enter their stock/parts system...now they are in a urination contest between the vendor and Tesla...Tesla won't pay and now the vendors are refusing to ship anymore parts...

Got it from workers inside the fence and folks know still working in there...but for those Fan Boys who have to eyeball it from an Internet source...here is one

Tesla ships flawed parts from suppliers to a local machine shop for fixes, and they're piled up outs...



Tesla Parts Spotted Piled Outside San Jose Machine Shop



If me...I'd not accept a 'new' vehicle with these reworked parts...

Would you have preferred they used a Non Conforming part in your new car. Sending defective parts back to the supplier to correct it is one of many ways to improve quality.