2016 Ram short bed 6.7 diesel 2500 payload close to max

[renojack]

I have the above tow vehicle and am lookong to trade up to a Grand Design with a pin weight of 2100 out of 2400 of trucks rated payload. Is this enough of a margin for added personal effects in trailer ,or am I pushing the limit too close??

[Ron3rd]

spoon059 wrote:

renojack wrote:
As the OP I want to thank all of you for your input. I looked over all my research material and found that my answer was 1 line above in the 2016 brochure. I found that the 2010 pound remaining payload left on my 2500 6.7 Cummins is a penalty for having diesel power. The same 10000 gvwr 2500 truck with a 6.4 Hemi V8 has a payload of 900 lbs more. The front and rear axles are the same 6000/6500.So my penalty is having a Cummins that weighs 900 more lbs. Causing such a low payload. Ironically the 6.4 Hemi pulls 1600 less so there you have it. Not a 3500/2500 discussion but a screwy rating that is penalized by a much more capable engine. I have my answer.

Yes. The 2500 is a Class 2B rated truck, which is limited to 10,000 lbs total weight. The heavier the truck, the less payload. It has NOTHING to do with capability, it is simply 10,000 lbs weight limit minus curb weight of truck. Ford, GM and Ram decided it was cheaper to simply produce ONE truck (1 ton without the 10,000 lbs weight limit), and simply "derate" the truck on paper to meet the Class 2B rating.

Now, they've made a few little changes, such as not adding overload springs on the Ford/GM (because there was no need) and swapping coils instead of leaf's on the Ram (for better ride handling), but everything else is the exact same in regards to Single Rear Wheel (SRW) trucks. A minor modification to the rear suspension to account for the overload spring or minor carrying reduction in the coil, and you've made your truck just as capable.

It only matters to the weight police here.

X2

[Grit_dog]

^ And getting the weight police to wrap their heads around the mind blowing "new numbers" for 2500s will really be fun to see. Now that 3/4 tons aren't "limited" to 10k on paper anymore!

[spoon059]

renojack wrote:
As the OP I want to thank all of you for your input. I looked over all my research material and found that my answer was 1 line above in the 2016 brochure. I found that the 2010 pound remaining payload left on my 2500 6.7 Cummins is a penalty for having diesel power. The same 10000 gvwr 2500 truck with a 6.4 Hemi V8 has a payload of 900 lbs more. The front and rear axles are the same 6000/6500.So my penalty is having a Cummins that weighs 900 more lbs. Causing such a low payload. Ironically the 6.4 Hemi pulls 1600 less so there you have it. Not a 3500/2500 discussion but a screwy rating that is penalized by a much more capable engine. I have my answer.

Yes. The 2500 is a Class 2B rated truck, which is limited to 10,000 lbs total weight. The heavier the truck, the less payload. It has NOTHING to do with capability, it is simply 10,000 lbs weight limit minus curb weight of truck. Ford, GM and Ram decided it was cheaper to simply produce ONE truck (1 ton without the 10,000 lbs weight limit), and simply "derate" the truck on paper to meet the Class 2B rating.

Now, they've made a few little changes, such as not adding overload springs on the Ford/GM (because there was no need) and swapping coils instead of leaf's on the Ram (for better ride handling), but everything else is the exact same in regards to Single Rear Wheel (SRW) trucks. A minor modification to the rear suspension to account for the overload spring or minor carrying reduction in the coil, and you've made your truck just as capable.

It only matters to the weight police here.

[Grit_dog]

^Glad you found your answer, but you still don’t know what it means.
Yes engine weight = subtract from payload, but engine weight is over front axle, towing on rear axle.
It’s still just a regulatory number not a capability limit.

[renojack]

As the OP I want to thank all of you for your input. I looked over all my research material and found that my answer was 1 line above in the 2016 brochure. I found that the 2010 pound remaining payload left on my 2500 6.7 Cummins is a penalty for having diesel power. The same 10000 gvwr 2500 truck with a 6.4 Hemi V8 has a payload of 900 lbs more. The front and rear axles are the same 6000/6500.So my penalty is having a Cummins that weighs 900 more lbs. Causing such a low payload. Ironically the 6.4 Hemi pulls 1600 less so there you have it. Not a 3500/2500 discussion but a screwy rating that is penalized by a much more capable engine. I have my answer.

[Me_Again]

Grit dog wrote:
I can't tell if that cartoon means MeAgain supprots that or thinks it's bunk.
But since he has basically the same truck but with leaf springs, surely he realizes that it's not an issue....

The State of Washington licensed my 2001.5 2500 GVWR 8800 at 12K the same as my 2015 3500 SRW. I towed at 10,500 on the truck, much like Russ. I worried a bit about it, but hey the state licensed it to 12K, so I do not think anyone would have a case against it. Everyone has to make their own personal choices. No pickup will exceed the Federal Bridge weigh laws, which each state enforces at their chicken coups. If one is in a state that licenses tonnage be sure to be licensed for the weight you carry.

The Pied Piper reference was just because someone else does it, it is not a license for others. Everyone has to make their own determination and abide by their states rules and licensing requirements.

Remember also your manufactures warranty and their ability to reject a claim for an issue they determine that is not within their specs for use a given vehicle. "You have an axle seal leaking, however we see you have air bags, which is indicating you are using your truck beyond the specs we set for it" Claim denied, cost is repair is $699.99, please see the cashier to pay, they will have your keys for you.

Motor on!

[Ron3rd]

renojack wrote:
Love the 337 Grand Design, but not enough to trade my 2016 Ram with 43k for a 3500. Thanks much for the advice.

There's another school of thought that says you already have a 3500 but it's de-rated because the 2500 has coil springs on the same rear axle the 3500 uses. They also say the 2500 has the same frame and front suspension as the 3500. Same brakes too. These folks install air bags and go about their business and tow what they want. Go figure.

[Grit_dog]

rhagfo wrote:


I use to tow/carry 1,700# over my GVWR, but still within axle ratings with our old 2001 Ram 2500. Worked fine, why I got a bigger TV? THE INTERNET AND PARANOIA, Owners manual states it is unsafe to exceed any stated weight rating, a decent lawyer will use that if involved in an accident!

I fixed it for you....
Have no doubt that the new truck pulls/handles better. It should, and it's ok to justify dumping your trusty old 24 valve for something bigger, newer, better, more comfortable and capable.

But the day I spend $ because of some new found paranoia over a largely un founded highly unlikely event that then involves a frivolous lawsuit,is the day I need to hang up the keys and phone up the senior care facility and tell them to come pick me up....AFTER I'm able to verify the gvwr, rawr and running weight of the geriatric bUS!

[Grit_dog]

I can't tell if that cartoon means MeAgain supprots that or thinks it's bunk.
But since he has basically the same truck but with leaf springs, surely he realizes that it's not an issue....

[blt2ski]

Me Again wrote:

patperry2766 wrote:
I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.

Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.

I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #

Probably daily!, Hourly even!
I've done this with every truck I've owned......

Marty

[Me_Again]

patperry2766 wrote:
I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.

Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.

I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #

[patperry2766]

I've got `18 2500 Ram. Looking at toyhaulers that will exceed payload ratings. After a lot of research, I feel pretty confident in saying that the only difference between the 2500 and 3500 SRW is the coil vs leaf spring set-up.

Exact same engine, transmission, rear end, braking system, tires & wheels. I personally as comfortable being 500-750 over payload as the truck sits. I did get a set of AirLift 7500 airbags off Amazon just in case I go well above that.

I think 3500 lb payload would be a comfortable #

[JIMNLIN]

renojack wrote:
It just so hard to buy the FW and THEN find out it does or doesn't do the job. I understand the 3500 is a leaf spring vs 2500 coil spring but ut seems like a gamble I may take. Thanks for the advice.

WE have a member IB516 who had a older Dodge 3500 SRW and swapped to the new 2500 with coil springs. He was impressed.
This from one of his snipped comments regarding coils vs leaf springs on his Dodge/Ram trucks. He has made other comments in other replies on this website.

IB516 wrote:
Posted: 10/05/18 12:32pm Link | Quote | Print | Notify Moderator
I hooked a 14k 5er to my coil sprung 2500 and it sat level. I regularly towed a 12k 5er with no issues. In fact, the 2014 2500 with coils sagged less with the same 5er than my 2007 3500 SRW did with Torklift Stableloads installed.

[Grit_dog]

goducks10 wrote:
Got passed last Monday on the way to Diamond Lake CG in central Oregon. Posted speed is 60 semi, 65 auto. The guy that passed me was driving a newer SB Ram 2500 CTD and was towing a Montana 5th wheel that I'd guess was around 36-38'. He went by doing a little over 65 mph and it wasn't long before he was outta sight. Looked rock solid going down the road.
It can be done.

Yup sounds about right. These trucks are only incapable on rvnet, not in the real world.