250/2500 class max GVWR?

[ib516]

I always thought for a class 2 truck, the max was 10k on the GVWR.

Apparently, that isn't the case as the new GM 2500HD trucks have GVWRs above 10k and impressive payloads to go with that fact -- a 2500HD crew cab 4x4 Duramamx has well over 3000# payload).

That front end though :E

VIDEO (video starts at beginning, payload etc is mentioned at 8:45)

[mich800]

IdaD wrote:
Class 2 is still class 2, GM is just breaking the 2500 out of that class. I'm sure you'll be able to buy an on-paper de-rated 2500 just like you've been able to buy a de-rated F350 for years.

On the plus side, maybe this means the rv.net geezer crowd will stop trying to convince people to trade their 2500 for a same model year SRW 3500 so they can "safely" tow their camper around. That happened to another guy on this site just here in the last month and it's kind of a sad waste of money.

And by derated you mean the sticker on the door. Don't want to further confuse the need a one ton crowd more. :B

[Dadoffourgirls]

JIMNLIN wrote:
Hmmm 6600 rawr ...interesting.
Guess GM wants to compete with the Rams 6500 rawr in the 2500 trucks.
Good grief thats almost as much as some of my old '60s one ton drw trucks.

Wonder how much the new SRW and DRW GAWRs will increase. GM may be serious about competing for the commercial trade in LDT size vehicles.

SRW = 7250
DRW = 10500

[blt2ski]

Or the GM 5500 in past had a higher gvwr option than a 6500. ,both had highest gvwr in class 6 realm.

I personally do not see an issue with this. Maybe for those of us that need an 8600-9000 gvwr truck based on the 1500 chassis, with smaller SB 6 @ 8 cylinder motors can get one of them again, like old days.

Marty

[ShinerBock]

IdaD wrote:
Class 2 is still class 2, GM is just breaking the 2500 out of that class. I'm sure you'll be able to buy an on-paper de-rated 2500 just like you've been able to buy a de-rated F350 for years.

On the plus side, maybe this means the rv.net geezer crowd will stop trying to convince people to trade their 2500 for a same model year SRW 3500 so they can "safely" tow their camper around. That happened to another guy on this site just here in the last month and it's kind of a sad waste of money.

Wow, I did not catch that one. That is a waste of money. A bunch of misinformed people basing their assumptions on the way things were decades ago.

[IdaD]

Class 2 is still class 2, GM is just breaking the 2500 out of that class. I'm sure you'll be able to buy an on-paper de-rated 2500 just like you've been able to buy a de-rated F350 for years.

On the plus side, maybe this means the rv.net geezer crowd will stop trying to convince people to trade their 2500 for a same model year SRW 3500 so they can "safely" tow their camper around. That happened to another guy on this site just here in the last month and it's kind of a sad waste of money.

[JIMNLIN]

Hmmm 6600 rawr ...interesting.
Guess GM wants to compete with the Rams 6500 rawr in the 2500 trucks.
Good grief thats almost as much as some of my old '60s one ton drw trucks.

Wonder how much the new SRW and DRW GAWRs will increase. GM may be serious about competing for the commercial trade in LDT size vehicles.

[ShinerBock]

A class 2 truck will always have a max GVWR of 10k. That is a government classification rating that has been around for decades and cannot be changed by a manufacture.

However, there is nothing in the rule books that says a manufacturer has to put a truck in a certain class based on the model number or name. Ford puts the F450 pickup in class 3 and an F350 in class 2 as an option. Then there was the fact that all 350/3500 SRW trucks prior to 2005 used to be class 2 trucks. Basically, just because it has a 2, 3, or 4 on the door does not mean it has to go in that class. It is just a name or designation given to a certain model.

What this means is that manufacturers are finally breaking the 2500s out of class 2 just like in 2005 with the 350/3500 trucks because the capabilities of these trucks far exceed the ratings of the the decades old classification system as I and many others have stated for a long time. This was bound to happen. The only bad thing for GM is that they should still offer a truck rated under 10k GVWR for those that don't want to pay additional registration fees and taxes. They probably do and just allow you to de-rate these trucks(numerically, not capability) as an option.

This is why a made a thread a few years ago saying we should get rid of terms like "half-ton" or "one-ton" because they no longer apply, and manufacturers will eventually surpass the outdated government class system. All of the 250/2500 past 2013 have ratings well over the 10k GVWR limitation of the class the manufacturers put them in so this is not too surprising.

[ib516]

In the video the 2500HD diesel has a GVWR of 11,350#, and the 2500HD gas truck has a GVWR of 10,650#, each with 3200 - 3300 # payload.