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โMay-22-2014 06:03 AM
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โDec-31-2014 05:28 AM
nevadanick wrote:
I think the other brand was Total which was readily available where i lived.
I've never seen Total /ELF, a division of Gulf oil, and a french brand of motor oil, on shelves of automotive stores in 5w-30 MB 229.51 spec before here in Los Angeles.
The only place that carries the Mobil 1 Formula ESP 5w-30 locally is Pep Boys, at $13 a liter, and made in Belgium.
What I do see is Mobil 1 Formula M 5w-40, which is Mercedes Benz specific 229.51 only. This is a Made in America based oil stock. It is commonly available, but I do not know for certain if it has a ACEI C3 rating.
https://mobiloil.com/en/motor-oils/mobil-1/mobil-1-esp
Advance, Napa and AutoZone carry this in stock almost all the time, not so with the 5w-30 European Formula.
I would like to think that both of these Low SAPS oils are interchangeable, but I wouldn't bet on it, as the 507.00 has a true extended oil change specification requirement of capable of 30,000 km /18,000 miles between oil changes spec by VW /Audi/Porsche Group.
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โDec-31-2014 03:37 AM
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โDec-31-2014 03:32 AM
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โDec-30-2014 05:47 PM
nevadanick wrote:
Most auto parts stores have the right oil. Was never an issue for our Mercedes.
I respectfully disagree with you on this statement. This is not a Mercedes specification.
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โDec-30-2014 05:24 PM
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โDec-30-2014 05:02 PM
The key to the proper oil for your motor is that almost always, it will come in a 1 liter motor oil or 5 liter motor oil bottle, not in the quart sized bottle.
Long time VW TDI and VW 3.0 liter TDI Touareg owner that tows with it.
Hope this helps.
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โDec-30-2014 04:31 PM
To the OP. Ninerbikes is right about the price of oil being high, being that the smaller diesels in use in the US require a special oil (meeting ACEA C3 specs) which isn't exactly common in the US at this point. The oil change interval for the Ecodiesel is roughly 10,000 miles or yearly, and takes 10.5 quarts of the oil. The cheapest I can find the oil is about $7.50 a quart for Pennzoil Ultra-L for a one time purchase from Amazon. However, if you subscribe and they automatically ship the oil to you every so many months, then the cost drops to $6.38 a quart. So costs are dropping for this oil. So your total oil cost will be roughly $64 to $75 bucks per oil change.
The oil filter is ridiculously expensive for this specific motor. Mopar branded filter is roughly $50 bucks.
The Ecodiesel motor only has 1 battery, so that will be roughly the same in cost.
The fuel filter is ridiculously cheap for this vehicle at only $25 bucks and needs to be done every 30,000 miles or 3 years (this is a very long fuel filter life for diesels).
Diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) usage is anywhere between 1.5% to 3% of fuel burn. So factor in roughly 5 cents additional to the price of diesel per gallon when bought from the truck fueling stations (roughly 2.80 per gallon of DEF). That will paint an accurate cost of fuel when factoring in DEF usage.
Here's the thing you don't get with a diesel. you don't have spark plugs to change. That's basically the difference maintenance wise. There's also the aspect of part failure replacement, but given the variability of parts failure (frequency and cost), it really is tough to weigh that on a gas vs. diesel debate. A diesel injector may cost roughly 600 or 800 bucks a piece, but then they're meant to last 300k or more miles under the worst of conditions. What's the failure rate and cost of gasoline injectors? Sure they're cheaper, but how often do you change them out? It differs per brand and make and a whole list of other factors that just make these kinds of comparisons difficult.
So these are the pros/cons to weigh maintenance wise with the Ecodiesel you're thinking of purchasing. Also note that it has the Bosch CP4 fuel pump in it which is known to be a fragile unit and maintenance is critical for the fuel filters (though with 3 year intervals, seems like it should be easier to stay on top of this for the Ecodiesel).
So for a short Recap on the Ecodiesel:
You may have a little longer oil change interval (don't know what it is for your silverado).
Those italian oil filters must be made with unicorn tears to cost so much.
You have to change fuel filters every so often, but really isn't much of a factor for the Ecodiesel.
You have the inconvenience of filling your truck with DEF (You'd most likely do this once or twice a year, as that's what I average at 15k miles a year)
You don't have spark plugs to ever think of (even though this happens very rarely in modern gassers).
In my case, I compare my maintenance expenses against my 2010 F-150. I'm not paying much more yearly to maintain my RAM and my fuel economy savings make up for the extra cost easily, especially during the summer months in my region. The whole fuel price thing is really regional. There are places around here where I can buy Diesel for only 2.39 a gallon (gasbuddy newberg, OR). Gas is only 2.25 a gallon. Comparing my 3500 against my F-150, I reliably get 4 mpg better with my 3500 (19mpg vs. 15mpg in my half ton). That is just a hair under 30% fuel economy increase. I'm sure the Ecodiesel will perform better as that's a Light Duty diesel meant for fuel economy, not so much as HD towing.
2013 RAM 3500 Crew Cab 4x4 SRW |Cummins @ 370/800| 68RFE| 3.42 gears
Currently Rig-less (still shopping and biding my time)
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โDec-30-2014 03:06 PM
srt20 wrote:
I've never gelled up. I don't use anti gel products either. Live in Wisconsin, and truck has started in -35f* air temps.
There is so much BS on this forum about gassers and diesels it's pathetic. A lot of Internet mechanics, that in real world couldn't change a spark plug or glow plug. I suggest doing your research elsewhere.
If you want weight police, then this is the perfect forum.
Best post so far.
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โDec-30-2014 02:54 PM
FishOnOne wrote:rhagfo wrote:NHIrish wrote:
The short answer for you is that if you don't need diesel...don't get it. I have one ONLY because I need the torque. They are a pain in the a##.
Spoken like a true gasser!
I see my diesel as a pure joy to drive and maintain. You drive and operate a diesel like a diesel, not like a gasser.
I like the fact that with less than 300 hp I can pull my 11,000# 5er up steep grades at 55 to 60 mph on state highways and at 65 to 70 on interstates.
Irish wrote his comment in 5/14 :h
I like yourself enjoy driving and maintaining a diesel truck, but for some folks they just want to add gas and go, have instant heat in the winter, no fuel fiters to change, can have the oil changed at any lube shop with very little risks and is very cheap, no DEF to add, don't have to worry about DPF getting clogged and the truck display telling the driving he or she is required to drive truck until the DPF has been cleaned, don't have to drain the water separator, don't have to plug in a block heater, don't have to shut engine off to place an order at the drive thru, etc... etc... Diesel is not for everyone which is why the vast majority of our vehicles are powered by gas and that's ok.
I just happen to like diesel, but I won't sugar coat it! :W
Very well stated Fish on one. Those that love the torque of diesel, once tasted, gladly pay the added minor maintenance costs to feed the habit. Diesels are not for every one. I've never had any problems selling a used diesel that has been well taken care of with complete service records. If not abused, they sell themselves, easily.
My Touaregs have instant heat, passat tdi too, at the expense of the brushes on the alternator when first turned on. Suck a lot of amps.
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โDec-30-2014 02:33 PM
FishOnOne wrote:rhagfo wrote:NHIrish wrote:
The short answer for you is that if you don't need diesel...don't get it. I have one ONLY because I need the torque. They are a pain in the a##.
Spoken like a true gasser!
I see my diesel as a pure joy to drive and maintain. You drive and operate a diesel like a diesel, not like a gasser.
I like the fact that with less than 300 hp I can pull my 11,000# 5er up steep grades at 55 to 60 mph on state highways and at 65 to 70 on interstates.
Irish wrote his comment in 5/14 :h
I like yourself enjoy driving and maintaining a diesel truck, but for some folks they just want to add gas and go, have instant heat in the winter, no fuel fiters to change, can have the oil changed at any lube shop with very little risks and is very cheap, no DEF to add, don't have to worry about DPF getting clogged and the truck display telling the driving he or she is required to drive truck until the DPF has been cleaned, don't have to drain the water separator, don't have to plug in a block heater, don't have to shut engine off to place an order at the drive thru, etc... etc... Diesel is not for everyone which is why the vast majority of our vehicles are powered by gas and that's ok.
I just happen to like diesel, but I won't sugar coat it! :W
:B
Fish, getting a little mellow for the holidays?
I agree with some of your statements and disagree with others.
Yes instant heat wold be nice, I
Use the EB to help with that.
Fuel filters need to be changed on gassers also, just not near as often.
Block heater, not needed just a bit of a good neighbor policy with my 01, as yes it does sound like it is falling apart when very cold. :R
Yes,'like my diesel better than gas, but as you stated it isn't for everyone.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#
"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"
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โDec-30-2014 01:40 PM
rhagfo wrote:NHIrish wrote:
The short answer for you is that if you don't need diesel...don't get it. I have one ONLY because I need the torque. They are a pain in the a##.
Spoken like a true gasser!
I see my diesel as a pure joy to drive and maintain. You drive and operate a diesel like a diesel, not like a gasser.
I like the fact that with less than 300 hp I can pull my 11,000# 5er up steep grades at 55 to 60 mph on state highways and at 65 to 70 on interstates.
Irish wrote his comment in 5/14 :h
I like yourself enjoy driving and maintaining a diesel truck, but for some folks they just want to add gas and go, have instant heat in the winter, no fuel fiters to change, can have the oil changed at any lube shop with very little risks and is very cheap, no DEF to add, don't have to worry about DPF getting clogged and the truck display telling the driving he or she is required to drive truck until the DPF has been cleaned, don't have to drain the water separator, don't have to plug in a block heater, don't have to shut engine off to place an order at the drive thru, etc... etc... Diesel is not for everyone which is why the vast majority of our vehicles are powered by gas and that's ok.
I just happen to like diesel, but I won't sugar coat it! :W
'16 Sprinter 319MKS "Wide Body"
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โDec-30-2014 01:24 PM
NHIrish wrote:
The short answer for you is that if you don't need diesel...don't get it. I have one ONLY because I need the torque. They are a pain in the a##.
Spoken like a true gasser!
I see my diesel as a pure joy to drive and maintain. You drive and operate a diesel like a diesel, not like a gasser.
I like the fact that with less than 300 hp I can pull my 11,000# 5er up steep grades at 55 to 60 mph on state highways and at 65 to 70 on interstates.
2016 Ram Laramie 3500 Aisin DRW 4X4 Long bed.
2005 Copper Canyon 293 FWSLS, 32' GVWR 12,360#
"Visit and Enjoy Oregon State Parks"
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โMay-26-2014 08:07 AM
nevadanick wrote:
I bought diesel pickup and SUV because thats what i wanted. No need to justify it.
Ditto. Of course, I've been that way since 1981 when I bought a brand new VW Jetta Diesel coupe, and felt the awesome torque off of a stop light with only 52 Shetland ponies under the hood. I think torque was 72 ftlbs, or thereabouts. A healthy increase over my 1967 Beetle when it was stock with 1500 cc's and maybe 50 HP.
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โMay-26-2014 06:58 AM