Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[ronharmless]

Yahooligan wrote:
... I'll be surprised if diesel stays more expensive than gasoline come Memorial Day.

As I recall, gas was about $0.20 cheaper (or more) then diesel all last summer? You can see that in this very thread (go back to page 295 and start reading). Maybe you just like to be surprised?

[cubbyman]

New to this site but the diesel vs gas will always be an issue. I tow with a 2005 F150 5.4 triton with 3.55 gears pulling a 2003 forest river 26DS TT. Its a light trailer, think total gross is 6800. Mileage is poor 8-10 while towing with 15 non-towing. Looking at a new truck next year and am impressed with the new F150 with 3.5 ecoboost engine. Glad to see a positive post about the 3.5. I would say when your nearing 9000lbs you should consider a diesel. That also depends on what area's your traveling (south vs north). I live in the south where hills are sparse. When traveling up north (PA & NY) its alot more hilly and I really have to keep my foot in the gas. Also consider what percentage your towing vs non-towing. Mine is 30% towing so thats why I would stick with a gas plus 1/2 ton vs 3/4.

[Yahooligan]

As to the price of gas and diesel flipping...that happens every year. It's nothing new, the refineries can get away with using cheaper formulations because they don't have to worry about evaporation in cold weather. The summer formulation is more expensive to produce due to the changes needed to reduce evaporation, as a result gas prices go up more. I'll be surprised if diesel stays more expensive than gasoline come Memorial Day.

[dubdub07]

02MAX6.6 wrote:
Today its a performance decision, not an economic decision. Now that diesel and gas prices have flipped, its just made it easier to decide. Either you can afford it or you cant.

Its like a supercharged corvette, not everyone can afford/want/need to drive such a specialty "purpose built" vehicle. Other cars will get you there, just not quite as fast.

A gas truck will pull your trailer, just not quite as well. Its up to you to decide if the additional performance, and headache, is worth the money.

OK all you diesel lovers, start your flamethrowers. I said its a headache. I love 'um too, they just need to be pampered a little. With all the filters, oil, coolant change, necessary mods, and so on. If you are a guy who loves tinkering with your stuff you'll love it.

If your towing heavy with a gasser and not performing the same interval of maintenance you would with a diesel, not only will you tow a little slower, your engine will be toast WAY before its time. Towing requires a little more routine maintenance, for sure. I don't see that much more than my gas stuff. In fact, since my tires last longer, my brakes last longer and my truck needs less "other" maintenance, I find it a wash. I do hate three gallons of oil, though. Thanks to Geno's and my Fumoto oil valve!

[02MAX6_6]

Today its a performance decision, not an economic decision. Now that diesel and gas prices have flipped, its just made it easier to decide. Either you can afford it or you cant.

Its like a supercharged corvette, not everyone can afford/want/need to drive such a specialty "purpose built" vehicle. Other cars will get you there, just not quite as fast.

A gas truck will pull your trailer, just not quite as well. Its up to you to decide if the additional performance, and headache, is worth the money.

OK all you diesel lovers, start your flamethrowers. I said its a headache. I love 'um too, they just need to be pampered a little. With all the filters, oil, coolant change, necessary mods, and so on. If you are a guy who loves tinkering with your stuff you'll love it.

[Slownsy]

Disel op to $ 1.50 per L $5.55 per gallen hear in OZ

[Simplygib]

blt2ski wrote:
All I have been told, is the block went porus.... what ever that means!

They were likely referring to cavitation.

[blt2ski]

Biggziff wrote:

Yahooligan wrote:

Edzzed wrote:

ilovetocamp wrote:
Paying $1.55 a gallon for diesel and getting over 20mpg.

Not anymore. diesel went way up

You do realize that post was from like 7 years ago, right? 🙂

Yet another reason that this thread should be culled. C'mon mods...step up here.

Why should I spend .5-1 min per post, to cull the thing! It would be quicker to delete it, then I would be having to start another, somewhere down the road, cull that one, or delete it and start over. Besides, one can see different tastes and reasons as yrs go by, as long as one looks at the dates of the posts.

Along with, this gives me the ability to keep the general BS diesel vs gas in one area.

Marty

[Biggziff]

Yahooligan wrote:

Edzzed wrote:

ilovetocamp wrote:
Paying $1.55 a gallon for diesel and getting over 20mpg.

Not anymore. diesel went way up

You do realize that post was from like 7 years ago, right? 🙂

Yet another reason that this thread should be culled. C'mon mods...step up here.

[Yahooligan]

Edzzed wrote:

ilovetocamp wrote:
Paying $1.55 a gallon for diesel and getting over 20mpg.

Not anymore. diesel went way up

You do realize that post was from like 7 years ago, right? 🙂

[Edzzed]

ilovetocamp wrote:
Paying $1.55 a gallon for diesel and getting over 20mpg.

Not anymore. diesel went way up

[TrayB]

gerrym51 wrote:

TrayB wrote:
I've noticed that gas is rising quicker in price than diesel now. Around here gas is #298-$3 and diesel us holding steady at $3.19-3.22. Normally its .30 difference and has been for some time.

the only way to make valid statements is to go to the federal governments website for national averages of diesel versus gas.

So your saying the prices I am seeing are a figment of my imagination? Notice I said "around here" ie, my location.

[gerrym51]

TrayB wrote:
I've noticed that gas is rising quicker in price than diesel now. Around here gas is #298-$3 and diesel us holding steady at $3.19-3.22. Normally its .30 difference and has been for some time.

the only way to make valid statements is to go to the federal governments website for national averages of diesel versus gas.

[TrayB]

I've noticed that gas is rising quicker in price than diesel now. Around here gas is #298-$3 and diesel us holding steady at $3.19-3.22. Normally its .30 difference and has been for some time.

[blt2ski]

Rover,

There is NO comparison between a T444E/7.3psd motor and an IDI 7.3, other than displacement. IIRC there are a whopping two parts that interchange, other than that, nothing to compare.

Glad to know you are enjoying your 6.5. I put 200K on my old rig, unfortunately, I did have to put a new motor in at 103K. All I have been told, is the block went porus.... what ever that means!

marty