Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Jarlaxle]

The new 6.7 badges...they say "B20" right on the trucks!

[RUFFSTUFF]

Jarlaxle wrote:

RUFFSTUFF wrote:
I would never use bio-diesel. Maybe if I had an old beater diesel I would... but not in my current ride.

You have! I recall that Ford delivers them with B10 in the tank.

I seriously doubt that... B5 is the max. Reference?

[Jarlaxle]

Ford OK's B20 for the new 6.7 diesel...says it right on the badges!

[frankraney]

Most new trucks will burn partial Bio, not full. It causes more problems than anything gained. You gain no MPG. It is still to early for Bio. Stay with reg diesel!!

[Jarlaxle]

RUFFSTUFF wrote:
I would never use bio-diesel. Maybe if I had an old beater diesel I would... but not in my current ride.

You have! I recall that Ford delivers them with B10 in the tank.

[wchipper]

does anyone have any new information on 2011 mileage Diesel v gas since Diesel has gone crazy

[RUFFSTUFF]

I would never use bio-diesel. Maybe if I had an old beater diesel I would... but not in my current ride.

[doublenot7]

You get worse gas mileage with the bio, using higher B rated fuel could void your power train warranty also. My F250 is rated for B20 but I was told using the B100 would void the warranty - it was not the dealer that said that though. You also have the issue of oil contamination and going through fuel filters faster. I'm gonna stick to dyno-diesel.

[katrose]

Does anyone have experience with Bio-Diesel? I am looking at the new Ram turbo-diesel 3500 for pulling my fifth wheel and there is one station in town that sells Bio-diesel and a web site for searching my route for bio-diesel sources.I love the idea of using sustainable fuel but I'm new so I'd love to hear more from you.

[doublenot7]

Argue what you want, but I swapped out my gasser for a diesel and am pretty happy about it.

[klc4885]

Jarlaxle wrote:

klc4885 wrote:
This is a funny argument now a days... If someone buys a truck you will have to assume it was for a reason. Towing and hauling comes to mind I personally can't think of any advantage other than initial investment being a little lower to choose a gas truck over a diesel. I imagine light hauling would probably drive a lighter duty gas truck, but since this is gas vs diesel and there are essentially no lighter trucks with diesels out there to speak of it's about the heavier duty type pickups.

Cost and problems down the road. I love diesels, but wouln't own a new one if you GAVE it to me. I woud pay more to NOT get a diesel engine at this point.

The data suggest different, but this reply is really a different argument, with the original post I am assuming that the question is directed to poeple that could afford both, and why is one better than the other. Again I would assume since this question resides in RV.NET Tow Vehicle section it's about towing RV's... I will look and see if I can find it, but there was just an article published where a man had put 320K on a cummins 6.7 cummins installed a new motor in his truck and tested the old one with results that verified the motor had barely any signs of ware passing all the test that a new production motor passed, I read the dodge article would venture to guess Ford and GM results would be similiar.

Maybe somebody has an argument for the gas engine how much you bet that is the truck they own? Diesel engines have got so much more torque in todays trucks 800 ft lbs that the gas ones simply can't keep up. Most of the most powerful truck gas motors are about half that for a very thin slice of the over all RPMs...

Modern gassers have a table-flat torque curve. If pulling a grade means running WOT and 4-5000rpm...then it does. It wont hurt anything.

They are better, just not as good as the diesel's the data shows it "no dispute" these gas engines are simply out gunned at pulling "which again I am assuming is the question" Living in Washington I get to see living proof all the time of this. You go any direction living on the west side of washington and you have to go over a pass. I pass poeple struggling up these passes everytime I travel mostly it's someone pulling a good size trailer with a gas truck. When you look at the specs for these power plants it's not hard to explain why that is "including the newer ones". If the topics stated that I'm good with just moving my load I don't need to maintain speed going up grades I guess you would be correct. Still does not change the facts Diesel is a better tow vehicle, that's why they use them to tow freight. I think you have a good point just not here...

I ghink the real argument should be if you tow or haul so little that the cost works out in the favor of a gas truck, you might want to consider looking at renting a diesel when you need it... If you have a heavier duty truck and don't tow or haul it's really just a car and opens up a whole new argument.

Not many loads that a diesel truck can haul that the equivilant truck with gas power can't.

This may be the one argument I will not win with the payload limitations on 1 ton and 3/4 ton trucks that amount of weight being so little probably shouldn't matter a gas or a diesel truck of this size should especially the newer trucks, be able and very capable to "haul" loads up to the maximum capacity. We are talking around 5000lbs maximum I'm assuming?

It would be nice if the mfg had a standard where they could give you a limitation and had some test to verify the capability of a trucks ability to move a load maybe a maximum weight, and a maximum grade that it could say maintain 60 MPH, This standard would help answer questions like say at what point do I need to buy the diesel motor "drivetrain" to maintain speed based on my application. You would always be able to give somewhere that may swing this like living in an area thats basically flat, or are you willing to possibly not maintain speed up grades ETC.

Bottom line a diesel motor has more torque per volume than any gas motor by far in production trucks. The laws of physics are clear that by volume diesel fuel has more energy than gas does by far, that's why it's so hard to beat in a towing application.

[RUFFSTUFF]

Diesel isn't a popular option in today's lazy, drive-thru society. They're reliable, efficient, powerful and require maintenance. For many, it's that last part that breaks the deal.

[Jarlaxle]

klc4885 wrote:
This is a funny argument now a days... If someone buys a truck you will have to assume it was for a reason. Towing and hauling comes to mind I personally can't think of any advantage other than initial investment being a little lower to choose a gas truck over a diesel. I imagine light hauling would probably drive a lighter duty gas truck, but since this is gas vs diesel and there are essentially no lighter trucks with diesels out there to speak of it's about the heavier duty type pickups.

Cost and problems down the road. I love diesels, but wouln't own a new one if you GAVE it to me. I woud pay more to NOT get a diesel engine at this point.

Maybe somebody has an argument for the gas engine how much you bet that is the truck they own? Diesel engines have got so much more torque in todays trucks 800 ft lbs that the gas ones simply can't keep up. Most of the most powerful truck gas motors are about half that for a very thin slice of the over all RPMs...

Modern gassers have a table-flat torque curve. If pulling a grade means running WOT and 4-5000rpm...then it does. It wont hurt anything.

I ghink the real argument should be if you tow or haul so little that the cost works out in the favor of a gas truck, you might want to consider looking at renting a diesel when you need it... If you have a heavier duty truck and don't tow or haul it's really just a car and opens up a whole new argument.

Not many loads that a diesel truck can haul that the equivilant truck with gas power can't.

[RUFFSTUFF]

I have a truck for when I need it and a car for when I don't. Seems to be working pretty well so far.

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klc4885 wrote:
This is a funny argument now a days... If someone buys a truck you will have to assume it was for a reason. Towing and hauling comes to mind I personally can't think of any advantage other than initial investment being a little lower to choose a gas truck over a diesel. I imagine light hauling would probably drive a lighter duty gas truck, but since this is gas vs diesel and there are essentially no lighter trucks with diesels out there to speak of it's about the heavier duty type pickups.

Maybe somebody has an argument for the gas engine how much you bet that is the truck they own? Diesel engines have got so much more torque in todays trucks 800 ft lbs that the gas ones simply can't keep up. Most of the most powerful truck gas motors are about half that for a very thin slice of the over all RPMs...

I think the real argument should be if you tow or haul so little that the cost works out in the favor of a gas truck, you might want to consider looking at renting a diesel when you need it... If you have a heavier duty truck and don't tow or haul it's really just a car and opens up a whole new argument.

Agree 100 percent.