Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Hannibal]

So your truck idles up the grades at the speed limit towing 1k lbs more than a new 6.7L Cummins powered Ram that can only muster 44 mph foot to the floor at 2800rpm? Once moving, overall gear ratio is what puts the power to the wheels and 2800rpm foot to floor 44mph is using all the gear reduction it can use regardless of rear end ratio. The 6.7L Cummins was maxed out while your '01 idles by at the speed limit in O/D towing 1k lbs more. I'm impressed!

[rhagfo]

Hannibal wrote:

rhagfo wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

jevanb wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I enjoyed all six of my diesels. But once the novelty wears off, it's just a noisy engine that can't rev. :B

who needs REV`s when You make more HP down low in the stock or modded vehicle. And I dont hardly hear my engine running when I am pulling or not at any speed, unless it is WOT then that is exhaust and turbo`s

When a man's last diesel of six was a whopping 305 hp at the most then he will have no clue as to what we are talking about. Why rev when the job can be done at a quiet relaxing purr.

well my little 6 at LESS than 300 HP does a great job of moving 19,500# up and down hills at the speed limit, at no more than 2,200 rpm's.

Hahaha! Yeah right. 2800rpm to the floor at 44mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_BTKOTCFQ

Well if you listen to the jabber the passenger doesn't have a clue!! He thinks it is rated for 30,000#. Depends on the gear ratio, driver doesn't know which gear it is in.
I quote from the post to the video.

"
With the trailer weighing 17,000 lbs, the truck weighs a little over 8,000, lbs that equals approximately 25,000+ lbs.
With a 4.10 ratio the total combined weight for truck and trailer is 30,000 lbs.
With 3.73 the total combined weight rating is 23,500 lbs.
With 3.42 gears the total combined weight is 16,890. So before you listen to the guy in the passenger seat who obviously has no clue what he is talking about, do the research."

So unless they have the 4.10 axle, they are towing over the GCVWR. Not too bad in my book.

[transamz9]

rhagfo wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:
Lowest Texas price today :

Wow! no heating issues in Texas, what the big difference, the station I buy at the difference is about 30 cents.

I've seen a buck sixty difference here at times.

[rhagfo]

8.1 Van wrote:
Lowest Texas price today :

Wow! no heating issues in Texas, what the big difference, the station I buy at the difference is about 30 cents.

[8_1_Van]

Lowest Texas price today :

[jevanb]

wnjj wrote:

jevanb wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I had a 8.1 also in the 3/4 CC and boy was it thirsty 8 city, 12 hwy, towing 7. now with my diesel I see 15-18 city and 22-23 hwy, towing 12.5k 5er =12.5mpg all day even in the hills. if I wanted to sell my truck right now I could get 21-25k. And I paid 35k OTD back in july 2006, and it had a total of 140miles , try that in a same year, same option with the 8.1L now

I just ran my 2005 8.1L through KBB. Granted it's super low miles and in perfect shape but with excellent condition, KBB says $27.7k. I paid $29.6 in 2005. I know KBB can be off but there aren't many around to shop craiglist, etc. for pricing.

If I put in 100k miles it changes to $19.2k which still isn't awful.

^^ my truck has 101k and 0 flaws, father in laws has the same truck as me (2006 LT3, LBZ) with 63k and when he sold private party 3 months ago he got 28k, I dont see anybody paying 27.7k for a 2005 gas truck even if it had 50k miles. realistically 8-12k

[wnjj]

jevanb wrote:

8.1 Van wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I had a 8.1 also in the 3/4 CC and boy was it thirsty 8 city, 12 hwy, towing 7. now with my diesel I see 15-18 city and 22-23 hwy, towing 12.5k 5er =12.5mpg all day even in the hills. if I wanted to sell my truck right now I could get 21-25k. And I paid 35k OTD back in july 2006, and it had a total of 140miles , try that in a same year, same option with the 8.1L now

I just ran my 2005 8.1L through KBB. Granted it's super low miles and in perfect shape but with excellent condition, KBB says $27.7k. I paid $29.6 in 2005. I know KBB can be off but there aren't many around to shop craiglist, etc. for pricing.

If I put in 100k miles it changes to $19.2k which still isn't awful.

[carl2591]

In our area, Raleigh NC, we have a lot of big gas/diesel/food stations under the Sheetz name. sheetz.com They have a card that gets a .03 cents per gallon discount at the pump on fuel and some time food.

The price is gas and diesel can be so differnet just down the street from each other is amazing.

I sorta keep up and it seem the difference between RUL and diesel run about .70 cents gallon. sometime you see it at .40 and other it close to a dollar.

I have read with like the ford f-150 eco boost they (ford) highly recommend running premium grade gas when towing to get best performance. I would also guess that to be true with most gassers as well.

At some station i see premium gas higher than diesel so the CTO, cost to operate number start to swing in diesel favor due to better overall MPG especially towing.

"that just my two cents" like the Food Lion spokes lion says on TV.

PS sheetz are mainly from NC north to PA. https://www.sheetz.com/locations/locations.jsp

[Hannibal]

rhagfo wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

jevanb wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I enjoyed all six of my diesels. But once the novelty wears off, it's just a noisy engine that can't rev. :B

who needs REV`s when You make more HP down low in the stock or modded vehicle. And I dont hardly hear my engine running when I am pulling or not at any speed, unless it is WOT then that is exhaust and turbo`s

When a man's last diesel of six was a whopping 305 hp at the most then he will have no clue as to what we are talking about. Why rev when the job can be done at a quiet relaxing purr.

well my little 6 at LESS than 300 HP does a great job of moving 19,500# up and down hills at the speed limit, at no more than 2,200 rpm's.

Hahaha! Yeah right. 2800rpm to the floor at 44mph.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_BTKOTCFQ

[Hannibal]

transamz9 wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

jevanb wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I enjoyed all six of my diesels. But once the novelty wears off, it's just a noisy engine that can't rev. :B

who needs REV`s when You make more HP down low in the stock or modded vehicle. And I dont hardly hear my engine running when I am pulling or not at any speed, unless it is WOT then that is exhaust and turbo`s

When a man's last diesel of six was a whopping 305 hp at the most then he will have no clue as to what we are talking about. Why rev when the job can be done at a quiet relaxing purr.

I was just kidding but just the same, it's all about perception. 4200 rpm is music to my ears with a gas V8. That 2100 rpm Cummins Humm could get pretty tiring too.

My 2013 ,I don't really here towing down the interstate. You have to be looking at the tach to tell. On the back roads is went I hear it and it is only for a few seconds pulling a steep grade then back to 13-1400 rpms which you don't really hear then. Taking off from a stop is really the only time you hear it in the cab. Remember also, I have 18,000# hooked to the hitch.

The 6.7L in the Superduty is very similar to driving my 5.4L Superduty with regard to engine sound in the cab. Very pleasant to drive. The 6.7L Cummins still has that 6cyl diesel hum. It's not loud nor is my 5.4L at 4200rpm. But it's still there. From the driver's seat, I would prefer the 6.7L Ford for it's sound. My tail bone would prefer the Ram's seats.
How about a Youtube video of your truck pulling 18k lbs up the grades and 1300rpm on the flats. Should be easy as it sounds like from you that you do this a lot. Don't forget to show the trailer in the mirrors. Something so many fakes forget to do in their videos.:B

[Jarlaxle]

The Mad Norsky wrote:
:h

I hate to burst the bubble for some of the posts here, but most ALL the modern diesels will start just fine, without being plugged in at temperatures even below zero F.

Even my old 12V Cummins would start down to at least -5. Mine didn't even use the intake heater that Rams got. The new Cummins 6.7's at work...we don't even bother to plug them in. They pop right off even at -15, even the one with 170,000 miles, ~6100 hours, and a bad intake heater. The MaxxForce DT I drive also starts right up even at -10.

[transamz9]

Hannibal wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

jevanb wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I enjoyed all six of my diesels. But once the novelty wears off, it's just a noisy engine that can't rev. :B

who needs REV`s when You make more HP down low in the stock or modded vehicle. And I dont hardly hear my engine running when I am pulling or not at any speed, unless it is WOT then that is exhaust and turbo`s

When a man's last diesel of six was a whopping 305 hp at the most then he will have no clue as to what we are talking about. Why rev when the job can be done at a quiet relaxing purr.

I was just kidding but just the same, it's all about perception. 4200 rpm is music to my ears with a gas V8. That 2100 rpm Cummins Humm could get pretty tiring too.

My 2013 ,I don't really here towing down the interstate. You have to be looking at the tach to tell. On the back roads is went I hear it and it is only for a few seconds pulling a steep grade then back to 13-1400 rpms which you don't really hear then. Taking off from a stop is really the only time you hear it in the cab. Remember also, I have 18,000# hooked to the hitch.

[rhagfo]

8.1 Van wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I wonder if their diesel price is an indication of the amount they sell?? If they sell a low volume, they still have pricy fuel in their tanks.

[Hannibal]

transamz9 wrote:

jevanb wrote:

Hannibal wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I enjoyed all six of my diesels. But once the novelty wears off, it's just a noisy engine that can't rev. :B

who needs REV`s when You make more HP down low in the stock or modded vehicle. And I dont hardly hear my engine running when I am pulling or not at any speed, unless it is WOT then that is exhaust and turbo`s

When a man's last diesel of six was a whopping 305 hp at the most then he will have no clue as to what we are talking about. Why rev when the job can be done at a quiet relaxing purr.

I was just kidding but just the same, it's all about perception. 4200 rpm is music to my ears with a gas V8. That 2100 rpm Cummins Humm could get pretty tiring too.

[jevanb]

8.1 Van wrote:

Taco wrote:
You know all the diesel heads like to say that once you go diesel you never go back. It seems that a LOT of people have gone back over the last few years.

I had a 8.1 also in the 3/4 CC and boy was it thirsty 8 city, 12 hwy, towing 7. now with my diesel I see 15-18 city and 22-23 hwy, towing 12.5k 5er =12.5mpg all day even in the hills. if I wanted to sell my truck right now I could get 21-25k. And I paid 35k OTD back in july 2006, and it had a total of 140miles , try that in a same year, same option with the 8.1L now