Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Steakman]

There's the difference....towing capacity seems like a big deal to the Dealer that wants to sell a truck. 7.5 VS 10mpg at worst is a 35% increase on fuel costs...using a gas drive. And I would argue that, yes a diesel does have a bit higher maintenance costs...but if ya do it right (By-Pass oil fil - Extra Fuel filtration, it will outlast a gasser in longetivity & give significantly better mileage hands down.

I concern my self with 5th wheel pin Weight, GVWR and whether I can safely hook up without going over my rear axle GVWR & Tire rating....I know the motor can handle pulling up to 20k....its the suspension n rubber capability that's important to me...just sayin..

Cheers

[Hitch_Itch]

The best I can get is 7.5mpg pulling my 12600# Sandpiper

[Steakman]

Ya may want to look at the number of big issues with the injection pump in the 2011-latest models of the 2500HD...not good, seems they tend to blow up throwing millions of steel particles throughout the fuel system requiring a complete re-build from the Fuel tank to the IP...$ 30K up here in Canada on average for warranty cost....and a week or so to get it done.

One wonders why the cp3 on the LBZ/LML (I believe the LML did use the CP3), models wasn't good enough..?? I'm sitting at 313,300 miles on my 06 - ZERO changes to my fuel system other than triple filtration - FASS system & 1 Post OEM 5mU filter....HG's done a while ago and it runs like a raped ape. Still using the orig injectors too.

Engineers for ya, always trying to re-invent the wheel.

Cheers...look for an 06/07 classic...with the LBZ motor..10.5 -11mpg pulling a 5th wheel. No gasser will get that...EVER.

[Hitch_Itch]

I was thinking of trading my 15' 2500HD 6.0L gasser for a 2017 2500HD Diesel. I bought a new Sandpiper that weighs around 12,600# loaded. My 15' actually pulls it nice, no white knuckles. I thought well a Diesel would run like nothing is behind it. Then I looked at the tow ratings and to my massive surprise the Diesel tows less then the gasser 14000# Gas Verses 13500# Diesel.
So I would pay something like $7k more to tow less, doesnt make sense to me, Yes I know the Diesel would run like nothing is hooked to it but my 6.0L gasser say's I got this, no problem. I pull through the PA mountains and never had to put it to the rug.
Im Just Really Surprised about the tow ratings

Hitch

[rowekmr]

I was at an auction yard yesterday where plenty of tow trucks and transporters gather and saw a new Dodge rollback with the Hemi emblem on it roll by me. It is built to carry one while towing one in the stinger so times are changing!

[Jarlaxle]

Truck at work went in for a regen problem and a CEL...nine days, two exhaust filters, and about $8000 later, it is back. Gas power is a better choice now.

[Txsurfer]

Hannibal wrote:
My '01.5 and '03 Cummins Rams shifted on every overpass as well. From O/D to direct where the gassers shift from direct to 2nd (3rd with the F250). I'm still not seeing a problem.

Well my 08 6.7 doesn't and i like that.. sure it's ok mechanically but gets annoying after a while.

[Hannibal]

My '01.5 and '03 Cummins Rams shifted on every overpass as well. From O/D to direct where the gassers shift from direct to 2nd (3rd with the F250). I'm still not seeing a problem.

[Txsurfer]

yeah they both work - one shifts every overpass and one doesn't

[Hannibal]

I used cruise control with all four Cummins Rams and with my last two gassers. No problem with any of them.

[Txsurfer]

If it hasn't been covered - cruise control works much better with a diesel while towing..

[Steakman]

I think this thread has to be the longest continuous thread in Any forum history...except maybe the "Post your Miles" one on various diesel Sites...lol

The arguments pro / con - diesel / gas will continue till the last drop of oil is refined...to be replaced with the argument of how you charged up your Electric Vehicle...somehow I don't think I will will be around to hear or participate in that argument.

I'm still driving the same vehicle since 2007.
2006 White GMC Sierra 2500 D'Max Allison CCSB

It has required steady maintenance...no question. But other than a set of Head gaskets 2 yrs ago that were blown by my own stupidity (over boosted while pulling the 5th back to Calgary from BC), the rest has simply been fluids and wear parts. I would note that those same wear parts are applicable to ANY Gas powered truck as well....just saying eh.?

Of course at the time, with the motor apart, it seemed logical to remove the last vestiges of the EGR (good riddance), replace the stock exhaust manifolds with much smoother contoured ones by PPE, New up-pipes, a larger downpipe and a "Sinister" intake. Now virtually emissions FREE.! So there Di Caprio, stick that up your arrogant little (_i_)...(another in a long line of Hypocritical Hollywood TOOLs that have come up to Alberta - Fort McMurray and railed about how our "disastrous" Tar Sands are destroying the planet.) Funny that, but Venezuela and California have heavy oils that are significantly HIGHER in Carbon content - emissions than the Oil Sands bitumen. Yet we never see/hear of anyone protesting that..?? But what the hell do they know anyway..?? They should all stick to singing and entertaining.
However, I digress....

At 305,000 miles, this truck literally runs smoother than the day I drove it off the lot. And I see no reason to not continue driving it till the day I am buried in it. 21.5 mpg hi way at 75mphr...all day long, and comfortable since I installed a set of Avalanche 8 way power leather htd seats back in 2014.

If anything the body will disintegrate before this engine/transmission combo ever will. Still on original injectors-fuel system, attributable I believe to triple filtration. So all in all, I'm pretty happy with this American - well made machine...god help us all when the Chinese start making and selling Diesel trucks....LOl...!!

cheers y'all.!!

[transamz9]

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Iraqvet05 wrote:
We just dropped $4800 on an injector pump on a 6.4 Ford at work. The truck is 7 years old and has 74k miles on it....this is why I would not buy a "FORD" diesel unless I had disposable income.

Fixed it for you. 😉

Yeah.... OK! :B

6.7 cummins

That's a 5.9 Fish. My buddies truck did the exact same thing aND it was the plug on the ECM was dirty. I cleaned the plug and has been running strong for two years now with no other issue.

Keep fishin' bud.

My mistake... I posted the wrong link. Here's the 6.7 soot clogged EGR/DPF. Just in case anyone (place cummins9824V here) doesn't think the almighty cummins is above problems.

6.7 cummins

I suppose you're going to try to convince the folks who prefer gas power their trucks have the same problem! :R

The problem in that video is not the engine. It's the Crappie that was put on it to clean it up.

That's what I would do,keep starting it and listen to it idle and clog it even more.......

Hence the attraction to own a gas powered truck that doesn't have all the emissions junk that will cost $$$$ to repair or replace. It's just a matter of time. The engine/emissions is no better than the weakest link and the emissions is typically were the problems begin and the $$$$ start flowing.

Notice I used 4 digit dollar signs for a reason. :W

That's one thing that is nice about where I live. I don't worry about that stuff. It's nice not having all the black soot on my boat and RV after a trip but one thing's for sure, If I have problems with mine it won't be on there.

[htwheelz67]

I really miss my diesel BUT not the high maint and repair costs, my 09 3v v10 f350 tows great except up long huge hills, the fuel economy sucks but its so smooth and quiet and reliable. I am going to install a custom made larger gas tank AND a remote mounted turbo back where the muffler is maybe 5-7 psi boost to cure my missing a diesel.

[FishOnOne]

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

transamz9 wrote:

FishOnOne wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:

Iraqvet05 wrote:
We just dropped $4800 on an injector pump on a 6.4 Ford at work. The truck is 7 years old and has 74k miles on it....this is why I would not buy a "FORD" diesel unless I had disposable income.

Fixed it for you. 😉

Yeah.... OK! :B

6.7 cummins

That's a 5.9 Fish. My buddies truck did the exact same thing aND it was the plug on the ECM was dirty. I cleaned the plug and has been running strong for two years now with no other issue.

Keep fishin' bud.

My mistake... I posted the wrong link. Here's the 6.7 soot clogged EGR/DPF. Just in case anyone (place cummins9824V here) doesn't think the almighty cummins is above problems.

6.7 cummins

I suppose you're going to try to convince the folks who prefer gas power their trucks have the same problem! :R

The problem in that video is not the engine. It's the Crappie that was put on it to clean it up.

That's what I would do,keep starting it and listen to it idle and clog it even more.......

Hence the attraction to own a gas powered truck that doesn't have all the emissions junk that will cost $$$$ to repair or replace. It's just a matter of time. The engine/emissions is no better than the weakest link and the emissions is typically were the problems begin and the $$$$ start flowing.

Notice I used 4 digit dollar signs for a reason. :W