Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Grateful_Camper]

Haven't read entire thread, I'm sure both have pro's and cons. I just love the way my diesel sounds.

[Steakman]

...In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels....

Which is why maybe looking at pre DPF vehicles from say 2007 back might be worth it...? All depending on emissions stds in your state / province of course.

Myself, cannot see spending upwards of 99k CAD on a new truck and being forced to put up with the, IMO, stupidity of lower mpgs due to enforced emissions stds. Seems to me that the more emissions cntrl stuff that is added, the lower the mpgs and subsequently ya burn more fuel...Ie: stupidity.

Tuning is where the emphasis aught To be....on both Gas and Diesel vehicles.
Stk

[transamz9]

FishOnOne wrote:

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.

Some people who short trip will do much better was a gas powered truck. The last thing they want is a forced drive down the road to regen their soot clogged dpf.

In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels.

For our farm/ranch trucks we go out of our way to purchase diesel trucks that are not equipped with dpf's and for the MIL we purchased a gas F350 since she just puts around and doesn't really work the truck.

That makes no sense..... I've had a 2013 and now a 2016. My trucks do a lot of slow putting around. My 2013 went thru 1 forced drive down the road regen. It took all of 4 miles.

[DallasSteve]

blt2ski wrote:
OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"!

And that was the first sentence in this 4,000 response thread. Without getting picky about the correct phrasing, I would just like to say that it is much cheaper to go to hell in a handbasket if the handbasket is gas-powered instead of diesel-powered, but your handbasket may be able to tow heavy loads better if it is diesel.

[Steakman]

Emissions...whats that . . lol, I do not envy those with post 07 diesels...am sitting round 314k on an 06 Duramax - straight piped turbo back - EGR gone the day I did my HG's...added PPE exh manifolds, new up pipes and a larger down pipe. Yea..ya gotta maintain em, but no substitute for torque and significantly better mpg's.

Diesel rules...it always will...for power, towing and longetivity.

Cheers - hope all are having a safe Long weekend...!!

Stk.

[FishOnOne]

Redwoodcamper wrote:
I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.

Some people who short trip will do much better was a gas powered truck. The last thing they want is a forced drive down the road to regen their soot clogged dpf.

In addition gas powered trucks are so much simpler will less complicated emissions equipment than todays EGR/DPF diesels.

For our farm/ranch trucks we go out of our way to purchase diesel trucks that are not equipped with dpf's and for the MIL we purchased a gas F350 since she just puts around and doesn't really work the truck.

[garyp4951]

Nice looking truck Hitch.

Redwoodcamper, My overheating issue with the fan clutch might have caused a HG to leak, so I might be doing the same thing. I guess what takes the longest is adjusting the valves, and torquing everything.

[Hitch_Itch]

I trade in every 2-3 years, all I have ever done is oil change and rotate, GM gives 2 years free oil change and rotate so I usually only pay for 2 services before I trade again. So for me, Its not worth the extra until I have the extra

[Redwoodcamper]

I see no reason to ever own a full size gas truck. People say "cost," but that cost is regained when I sell it. People say maintenance, and several poorly designed diesel of the last fifteen years have given people a bad taste. My last three Cummins have had right about a million miles total on them. How much "extra" did I spend on them? I did one head gasket myself for less than $500 in my driveway and about 10 hrs of work. I've done three water pumps. One alternator. A few serpantine belts. A clutch and one tranny. Nothing more than that was necessary.
How is that more maintenance than a gasoline v8? I've spent more money fixing my wife's gasoline daily drivers than I have my work trucks! And two of the three I sold for 70 percent of what I paid for them. They made me literally tens of thousands of dollars hauling my mini excavator and skid steer around. Not to mention they passed hundreds and hundreds of swaying f150s and underpowered gasoline trucks trying to tow up hills.
I took two of the three trucks to the drag strip for test and tune nights. Had a blast in them, worked in them, enjoyed them, and the whole time if I had a gasoline full size truck I would have been disappointed.
If I was in the wrong financial situation and I only had 5-10k to I vest in a tow rig, I'd still be much happier with an older diesel that I could work on than a "nicer" newer gasoline truck.

Bottom line is trucks are for working. And for each gallon of diesel, more work is done than gas.

[Hitch_Itch]

yup crew cab

[garyp4951]

The one I drove had the small back seat, and I would rather have the bigger one. I guess that means more money for a different model.
The Fords I looked at all had large back seats

[Hitch_Itch]

I just bought my 2017 2500HD LTZ with a 6.0L I was thinking of going with a diesel but after reading up on the new diesel I decided against it due to the fact some are having some issues with and and I found out people are reporting only getting around 10-12 mpg towing. Sure the diesel has tons more power but it rated to tow 100# less then the gas due to the extra weight nevermind the $10,500 up charge for it.
I traded in my 2015-2500HD that had the 6.0L and it towed my 12000# fifth wheel through the mountains at 75 mph without putting it to the rug and to boot I was getting 7mpg
Don't get me wrong, The diesel is one hell of an engine but I really didn't want to pony up the extra cash when the 6.0L pulls like a brute.
If I had an extra 10k laying around it would have been a no brainer.
She sure is a beauty
20170824_110949 (1) by Godfrey Electric, on Flickr

[garyp4951]

I'm seriously considering trading my 03 Cummins with 220k on a new Chevy, or Ford 3/4 , since my trailer is only 10k.
I drove one last night and it was sweet, and everything works including the ac at idle.

[Steakman]

That's the only drawback with the0 06-07 years...if I recall correctly, mine is only ~2k capacity SRW...so can't be pulling a 36' Montana anytime soon..lol.

But have thought that when it's time to hang up the Tools...swap out the axle, get a good used Dually rear end w / suspension and a pair of white dually fenders.... At least then I will feel ok knowing my truck and it's idiosyncracies....and keep all the upgrades I've done over the years.

Well good luck on whatever path you choose...just don't travel up here to Alberta just yet, there are numerous massive forest fires in BC right now with westerly winds a blowing.! Am at work in N Alberta and visibility is down to half a mile.... You'd think this was the Kuwait Oil Fires redux..

[Hitch_Itch]

Agreed, you need to look at those figures as well. My pin weight is 2100# and the trucks payload is rated for something like 2950#. Im close but within the maximum limits