Diesel vs gas......................

[blt2ski]

OK folks, there have been a few to many diesel vs gas threads that have shall we say gone to "Hell and a hand basket"! So if all of you would put in you BEST, no flaming reasons for going gas vs diesel, pro and con, I will either leave your thread, or copy and paste pertinant info to the 4 posts of pro and con of diesel or gas. This can include the GM 8.1 vs Dmax or Ford V-8/10 vs PSD etc too.

Be real and honest in you answers, not hear say, flaming etc PLEASE!

If posts are good ones, I will leave, if inflamatory or trolling in nature, they will be deleted! I will get this stick'd to the top for future parusing for those that need this type of info.

Added 6-23-04

We are getting closer to answers I am looking for etc.

Stuff like Ken's - T-Bone posts are good. There are a few others of you that have not posted, some with a 9 point question and answer type to figure out how you went with one or the other. If you are one of those, PLEASE repost in this thread. I may have to look up whom has done this and PM you, but if you think this is you, you now know what to do.

Also, for those of you with $ per gallon for either fuel right now, I would prefer to see a post with ...."in my area, diesel is typically .10 less than unleaded" then explain your numbers. As currently in the Seattle area, diesel and unleaded are any where from 2.05 -2.30 per gallon, with mid test .10 more and premium about .20 more, with equal high low splits. Two weeks ago those prices were upwards of .30 -.40 per gallon more. people were posting $ per gallon that were for me. "I wish" If someone is reading your post a year from now, they may want to know where your paying 1.65, when the price of fuel is over $3 per gallon. Let's keep prices out of it if possible.

Bert and tin tipi, got into a good discusion on the pros and cons of RPM's, drive train etc. I would prefer to NOT see the quote of the other in responding threads, maybe just write a quick wording of re tranny gearing, instead of the whole 40 words or so in that paragragh, so the repsonse is shorter if possible quicker and easier to read etc.

I have deleted some 15+/- posts, that were off topic etc. Please note, I am trying to keep this at the top, as the ONLY gas/diesel thread in this area. So if one is trying to decide, we do not have to go thru this BS any more. As such, I will be deleting ANY future posts close to resembling this type of topic. I may have to change "this" title to a better one, if one has a better sounding title, to be more positive, better claification, let me know here, or in a PM/e-mail, what ever you feel most comfortible with.

Again thank you for all of you that are keeping responses positive, etc.

Also we could use a few more positive reasons to go gas, as many can see I have both gas and diesel, both have a place! Both have positive reasons to buy that fuel, lets keep the threads etc to that purpose only!

Marty

[Jumbo_Cranium]

ponie wrote:
I can tell by your post that you are very proud of the big load that you hauled, but being unwilling to hook to my 5th wheel and press the accelerator to the floor is not meeting any conditions of a pulling comparison. I am not sure why you have such little faith in your truck but your MpG, load of wood and collapsed rear springs notation demonstrates your feeling of accomplishment. Atta Boy.

He doesn't have a 5th wheel hitch dude, how many times does he have to say it?

[Jumbo_Cranium]

8.1 Van wrote:

Jumbo Cranium wrote:
Hey 8.1 we are waiting for you to show us where an 8.1 beat a Duramax in a timed quarter mile. Or for that matter, any of the Big 3 diesels.

Here, I'll help.

Stock 6.7 Dodge Cummins running 15's in the quarter

How does 15.66 at 85.46 mph grab ya.

I couldn't find any stock powerstroke times, but since you were the one shooting your mouth off, you should be the one trying to prove it, not me.

We're waiting.

What a slug, on the same website is a 2500HD with 6.0 smallblock that ran 15.194 92.25mph 1/4 mi. There were no 8.1's listed but the 8.1 has tons more power than the 6.0 smallblock.

HAHAHAHA You should learn to read before you post links. That 6.0 was NOT stock. It's obvious you don't have a clue about 1/ mile ET's for these vehicles.

Still waiting.

[blt2ski]

Along with the unfortunately the link to an older pulloff was pulled from the dieselpage site. Which showed an 8.1 doing the pull offs with a top speed in the 40's vs the stock dmax, PSD and B5.9 doing in the low 50's with the SAME trailer, on the same hill, at the same elevation ie about 5-6000'! The lowly 6.5TD's were right in there time and speed wise with the 8.1 gas rigs.

Email the Jim, ie the owner of TheDieselPage.com to see if he has a back issue of those articles with the times etc. I should also point out, the dmax used back then, ie stock, was a 300/540, not th 300+600+ motors of today either.

For certain area's , yes an 8.1 may out do a TD. I am also remembering that trailer life did a comparison of the 7.3 and 6.8V10 about 02 or there abouts, again, the PSD was better performance etc than the 6.8. Payback at the time, took any where from 80-120K miles depending upon fuel price difference. So unless you were going to put that many miles on your truck, a BB gas did not pay. Folks like 8.1 van, les adams a fellow mod, that drive all of 5-8000 miles a yr, a diesel does NOT pay to buy. For them, a BB gas is teh cheapest way to go in the long haul for them, as they will not pay off the increased cost in a timely manner. For those like myself that drive some 25-30K miles a yr, a diesel will pay off in a timely manner.

Performance wise, my 88 and 89 454's did not pull in most cases as well as y 96 6.5TD. The 454 had a 235/385 spec, the 6.5 a 185/385 HP/torque spec. And the 6.5 was not known for a performance motor, most felt it was a better anchor than a motor for a vehicle.

Marty

[marty649]

The troll ponie ignored my acceptance of his so called challenge.

[ponie]

No Rvndave, you are incorrect. Go back and read our exchange above. You offered your truck with TT in tow and a load of wood???? I am looking for a truck that will pull MY 5th wheel with better performance than the junky ol 8.1L.

I can tell by your post that you are very proud of the big load that you hauled, but being unwilling to hook to my 5th wheel and press the accelerator to the floor is not meeting any conditions of a pulling comparison. I am not sure why you have such little faith in your truck but your MpG, load of wood and collapsed rear springs notation demonstrates your feeling of accomplishment. Atta Boy.

I will ask you for the second time RVNDave. Please specifically define TROLL.

I have you pegged and if you had read my post above you would have seen that I predicted your irrelevant response. Nice job making yourself look small.

Next response from anyone that wants to address the issue?

[Rvndave]

Ponie you turned down my offer!!!!!! Oh an by the way I only got 15 MPG with the load of wood and RV in tow. I was so loaded I was only 1 inch off the bottom out on my rear axle. This would have been the time for you to line em up an run em off. As they say ya can lead a pony to water but ya can't make it drink.

[ponie]

pronstar wrote:
There is so much info that's already been posted - from various third party tests - indicating diesel efficiency & performance superiority versus gas IMHO it's now time for the gas guys to show SOME info, even a little bit, stating otherwise.

It's just so odd to completely discredit a mountain of information without a hint of evidence to the contrary.

Gas guys are asking for "proof" and when it's provided, it's not good enough.
Fair enough. Now let's put the onus on the gas guys to provide some evidence to support their cause. I'm sure many of you will agree that we're tired of doing all the research, only for it to get dismissed.

The internet is huge...surely there is SOME evidence to support your argument?

At best, a good gasser will provide comparable performance with a serious MPG penalty compared to diesel. I think we've got that part covered. Is there anything proving otherwise?

You and many others call it a mountain and in fact you have no real world data comparing an 8.1 to diesel pulling a 12,000 lb load on a highway hill to date. Kind of crazy that this thread is called diesel verses gas and has gone on for 177 pages without any comparison to the 8.1 gasser. Not one link exists on the web linking performance of the 8.1 to a 6.X diesel in a real world pull off ???????????? What the heck diesel guys?

What is the ratio of diesels to 8.1L? Ten to 1 and yet no one will provide a meeting place to hook to my toy hauler and do some distance time test???? All that you have in this thread is a bunch of proud guys sticking to the same mantra. Gassers suck! Gassers suck! Gasser Suck!

Others have been down right slanderous and acted like I was trying to yank everyone’s chain so I offered to come to my home area to do a pulling comparison. I have offered dinner for the winner. I have stated that I would purchase the truck that performs the best and still nothing.

I am in the market for a stock truck that will perform better than the stock 8.1 and I can’t find a single individual that will demonstrate what many of you take as fact.

I have asked several times. Would someone please take a look at the map and your calendar and meet me to show how bad this 8.1 is. We should not have to drive 500 miles to accomplish this. Your diesel brethren should have dozens of trucks with 5th wheel hitches in a 25 mile radius anywhere in the country. Where are you guys?

And by the way, let me help save the idiots from having to type the response because here is what’s going to come back for the 100th time.

1. My trucks Mile Per Gallon is twice what your 8.1 is
2. My Diesel produces 200 ft lbs of torque compared to your gasser
3. Ponie does not want to look at the mountain of data that proves diesels can out pull a gasser
4. My resale is better than your Gasser
5. Web links to various diesel pull offs against 5.7 liter gassers
6. Web links to tricked out diesel against stock diesels
7. They don’t put 8.1L in trucks any longer (call your truck dealerships. You can still order a 8.1 in any truck)
8. Crawl back under your rock gasser lover
9. Your buddies with 8.1Van
10. Troll (what ever that is)

Now that I have saved some time for your guys, please find me the links to the real world pulling comparison of the 8.1L or come out to my meeting place for a pulling comparison.

[8_1_Van]

Jumbo Cranium wrote:
Hey 8.1 we are waiting for you to show us where an 8.1 beat a Duramax in a timed quarter mile. Or for that matter, any of the Big 3 diesels.

Here, I'll help.

Stock 6.7 Dodge Cummins running 15's in the quarter

How does 15.66 at 85.46 mph grab ya.

I couldn't find any stock powerstroke times, but since you were the one shooting your mouth off, you should be the one trying to prove it, not me.

We're waiting.

What a slug, on the same website is a 2500HD with 6.0 smallblock that ran 15.194 92.25mph 1/4 mi. There were no 8.1's listed but the 8.1 has tons more power than the 6.0 smallblock.

[Skid_Row_Joe]

Jumbo Cranium wrote:
Hey 8.1 we are waiting for you to show us where an 8.1 beat a Duramax in a timed quarter mile. Or for that matter, any of the Big 3 diesels.

Here, I'll help.

Stock 6.7 Dodge Cummins running 15's in the quarter

How does 15.66 at 85.46 mph grab ya.

I couldn't find any stock powerstroke times, but since you were the one shooting your mouth off, you should be the one trying to prove it, not me.

We're waiting.

I think he's gone Postal. 🙂

[8_1_Van]

I've driven 8.1 and LBZ in equivalent sized trucks. 8.1 rules in every driving situations except range on a tank of fuel. However diesel has gotten so expensive fuel considerations is usually a net wash.

I would buy a LBZ for heavy trailering and lots of highway miles. In all other situations the 8.1 is better IMHO and much more fun to drive.

8.1 or duramax

[Jumbo_Cranium]

Hey 8.1 we are waiting for you to show us where an 8.1 beat a Duramax in a timed quarter mile. Or for that matter, any of the Big 3 diesels.

Here, I'll help.

Stock 6.7 Dodge Cummins running 15's in the quarter

How does 15.66 at 85.46 mph grab ya.

I couldn't find any stock powerstroke times, but since you were the one shooting your mouth off, you should be the one trying to prove it, not me.

We're waiting.

[Jarlaxle]

8.1 Van wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:
OK, what part of "the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but TROUNCED it, in every timed acceleration test, empty and loaded" do you not understand?

BS, show me the link. A stock 8.1 pickup will always blow the doors off a stock Duramax in the 1/4 mile.

Hit a library and dig up Four Wheeler magazine's PTOTY issue (AFAIK, they don't have archives online) from about 2003...they test both, and yet again: the Duramax didn't just best the 8100, but trounced it, in every timed acceleration test. IIRC, the Duramax was quickest to 30, 60, and 1/4 mile that year.

[8_1_Van]

Pronstar, get a clue already.:R

[pronstar]

There is so much info that's already been posted - from various third party tests - indicating diesel efficiency & performance superiority versus gas IMHO it's now time for the gas guys to show SOME info, even a little bit, stating otherwise.

It's just so odd to completely discredit a mountain of information without a hint of evidence to the contrary.

Gas guys are asking for "proof" and when it's provided, it's not good enough.
Fair enough. Now let's put the onus on the gas guys to provide some evidence to support their cause. I'm sure many of you will agree that we're tired of doing all the research, only for it to get dismissed.

The internet is huge...surely there is SOME evidence to support your argument?

At best, a good gasser will provide comparable performance with a serious MPG penalty compared to diesel. I think we've got that part covered. Is there anything proving otherwise?

[Skid_Row_Joe]

Who cares, already said he doesn't drive it anyway, that gashog chugs $4.50 of gas every 5-6 miles.:)