DRW with TC in sand

[FireGuard]

I'm curious how a DRW with a large TC towing an ATV trailer with a weight around 3k lbs compares to an empty truck towing a large toy hauler weighing 12k lbs plus?
I know the wheels don't track as well as a SRW but I would think with the weight on the truck and having to drag less weight through the sand would be better.
What are the best techniques to make a DRW perform in the sand?
Is it possible to air down enough to drive 3-4 miles without damaging the tires or maybe use spacers to create more space to air down?

[Reddog1]

That should be very informative to folks on the east coast. It suggests previous posts on this subject was misinformation. Every post I read before said the restriction was due to DRW.

It would be great if others would post on this subject. Actually, a new Thread unique to this would be great. Especially if links were posted.

Wayne

[ticki2]

cross21114 wrote:
A lot of TCs use the beach at Assateague Island in Maryland. You cannot use dual drive tires because they cannot be aired down enough.

DRW's are no longer restricted at Assateague . Not being able to air down was not the issue . There is a weight restriction of 10,000# GVW which is interesting as most TC's even on SRW are over that .

[ticki2]

Kayteg1 wrote:

OK, tell me how do you imagine air down this?

First off , no stock drw truck comes that way , those are larger than stock tires . They will probably overheat at road speeds . At 10 mph on the beech it probably will not hurt them at all . That was a misleading
picture for the subject question in this thread .

[av8rds]

Kayteg1 wrote:

av8rds wrote:

cross21114 wrote:
A lot of TCs use the beach at Assateague Island in Maryland. You cannot use dual drive tires because they cannot be aired down enough.

They might limit drw's at that beach(and others) but the statement about not being able to air down enough is false.

OK, tell me how do you imagine air down this?

I dont know how you are that down. The picture you are showing shouldnt even be operated on the street if that was taken a normal pressures.

What I do know is I have had a 2001 F350 DRW and a have a 2006 F350 DRW with stock tires and can air down in the rear to 20psi and have NO touching(even when loaded with a 5000lb+ EC1160 on it) and have been doing successfully since 2003.

What I also know is other people that do something similar in all kinds of DRW drive 2WD campers and have no problems.

[Kayteg1]

av8rds wrote:

cross21114 wrote:
A lot of TCs use the beach at Assateague Island in Maryland. You cannot use dual drive tires because they cannot be aired down enough.

They might limit drw's at that beach(and others) but the statement about not being able to air down enough is false.

OK, tell me how do you imagine air down this?

[av8rds]

cross21114 wrote:
A lot of TCs use the beach at Assateague Island in Maryland. You cannot use dual drive tires because they cannot be aired down enough.

They might limit drw's at that beach(and others) but the statement about not being able to air down enough is false.

[cross21114]

A lot of TCs use the beach at Assateague Island in Maryland. You cannot use dual drive tires because they cannot be aired down enough.

[Kayteg1]

I drove 15 tons bus on sand in Mexico on tires with 90 psi. But it was grey, pretty solid sand.
Avoided the white stuff.

[towpro]

^ holly cow the beach is steep up there. ^

[av8rds]

Just air down, be gentle with the turns and gentle with the throttle

I usually went to 20psi for the rears and 24 for the fronts

[brholt]

As you probably know, it really depends on the sand. Hard sand is not really an issue, you probably don't even have to air down.

[RoyB]

back in my JEEP TRAIL days we sure did alot of 'airing down' as we called it for the mud and sand trails....

Of somewhat recent time was just trucking down along the NC outer banks with standard ATX style truck tires (No Dually) and saw a bunch of trucks out on the beach trail so I jumped right into it with my 4WD on of course... Barely made it out of there haha...

Roy Ken

[Ivylog]

Best thing in sand is a super single which you can air down. Just look at cement trucks in areas with sandy soils. Many years ago we put smooth airplane tires on the drive axle of a machine working in soft sand letting it go where a tire with lugs would get stuck.

[kohldad]

The TC with a light trailer will be easier than the heavy trailer. Reason is with the TC, the majority of the weight is on the driving tires. When tires have power, they not only are trying to move you forward, but also trying to climb the sand in front the tire.

With the FW, you are trying to drag 4 heavy trailer tires through the sand. These 4 tires would be like trying to put a plow behind the truck.

[Bedlam]

Driving on sand is all about flotation. As long as you can put out enough tire surface, the ground does not care how many tires you use. Once you get to the rigid 19.5's, airing down does not help you - You need to stay on harder surfaces or build pathways with some other material. Aggressive tread is worse in sand because it will encourage the tires to dig. You would be surprised how well big slicks work in sand.