Ecodiesel and Nissan Cummins

[hone_eagle]

here

Comparison, but not a head to head 'this one is better', just a detailed look inside each engine.

[hone_eagle]

wilber1 wrote:

hone eagle wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Someone (the author of that article) GETS IT. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is marketed to those who want fuel economy and will tow occasionally. The Nissan will be marketed to those who want to tow and haul heavier loads than most half ton owners, but don't want a 3/4 ton. Great stategies by both.

Ram has no need for the 5.0L Cummins as it's too close to the capability of their other offerings. The 3.0L was what they needed as it offers better MPG. Look at all the ads for the EcoDiesel. Great mpg is what they brag about, not it's HD towing and hauling capabilities.

Yes ! exactly
Horses for courses,they don't compete with each other , so more choices is good,pick the one that suits your needs.

No they don't. One is a 5 litre engine and the other is a 3 litre. A head to head comparison is pointless because the results would be obvious.

Did you even read it?
It was not a comparison in the sense of which is better ,in fact no statement was made as to a 'better'.
It was a dissection if you will , of each of the newest diesels on the market,no "pro or con" just a explanation of how each manufacturer approached design .

[Cummins12V98]

canadiankid wrote:
If Ram really wanted to make a point they could put the 5L cummins into their 3/4 tonne as a second diesel option. I personally think the 5L in a 3/4 tonne with the nice coil rear suspension would be great option.

THAT would be a good idea!

[AlmostAnOldGuy]

What I find interesting is Nissan targeting the capability gap between the 150/1500 and 250/2500 market. That gap may be getting larger as the 250/2500 trucks continue to get bigger and the 150/1500 trucks are under CAFE pressure to get higher mpg.

With that being said if Nissan comes to market with 24mpg highway I would compare that to the Ram 2500 w/Cummins which is putting up very good numbers as well (24mpg highway per recent thread). If the mpg is close which would you rather have?

The last several years have brought some good trucks and drivetrains to market which is neat to see. I don't much care for the prices though.

[v10superduty]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
IMHO a real shame RAM let that CUMMINS go to the competition! I mean really who wants an "EGO DIESEL" ?

Back in 2009ish, Ram almost let that "other" Cummins go to Ford.

When Chrysler went into bankruptcy, Cummins was one of thei r larger lienholders. They were owed a LOT for supplied motors and now had an engine production line with possibly no trucks to put them in.. :h

They had discussions with Ford...:W

IF Ford had not made the decision in about 2004 to develop their own diesel motors, you can bet the 6.7 Cummins would have booted the Binder to the curb. Ram had "NO" bargaining power at that time.

IF the bankruptcy had been a year or so earlier OR if Ford had started their program a few years later, things could be different out there now

[wilber1]

canadiankid wrote:
If Ram really wanted to make a point they could put the 5L cummins into their 3/4 tonne as a second diesel option. I personally think the 5L in a 3/4 tonne with the nice coil rear suspension would be great option.

I agree on the 3/4 T but would it sell up against the 6.7 and 6.2's Ford and GM are using. Would be interesting to find out. As far as the 1500 goes, they would have to completely redesign the truck for an engine that was 300 lbs heavier. The 3.0 allows them to use the truck they already have and that is why it makes sense. For some c0it can never be good enough because it is built by the wrong people.

[canadiankid]

If Ram really wanted to make a point they could put the 5L cummins into their 3/4 tonne as a second diesel option. I personally think the 5L in a 3/4 tonne with the nice coil rear suspension would be great option.

[Winterwolf227]

donn0128 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
IMHO a real shame RAM let that CUMMINS go to the competition! I mean really who wants an "EGO DIESEL" ?

Uhhh Ram does not own Cummins, so in reality Ram has no say in the matter!

I completly agree, so sad that Cummins is not in the 1500 !!

[wilber1]

Cummins12V98 wrote:
IMHO a real shame RAM let that CUMMINS go to the competition! I mean really who wants an "EGO DIESEL" ?

People are already complaining about the Ram's payload, why would they want to decrease it even more with a heavier engine?

[wilber1]

hone eagle wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Someone (the author of that article) GETS IT. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is marketed to those who want fuel economy and will tow occasionally. The Nissan will be marketed to those who want to tow and haul heavier loads than most half ton owners, but don't want a 3/4 ton. Great stategies by both.

Ram has no need for the 5.0L Cummins as it's too close to the capability of their other offerings. The 3.0L was what they needed as it offers better MPG. Look at all the ads for the EcoDiesel. Great mpg is what they brag about, not it's HD towing and hauling capabilities.

Yes ! exactly
Horses for courses,they don't compete with each other , so more choices is good,pick the one that suits your needs.

No they don't. One is a 5 litre engine and the other is a 3 litre. A head to head comparison is pointless because the results would be obvious.

[Cummins12V98]

hone eagle wrote:

ib516 wrote:
Someone (the author of that article) GETS IT. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is marketed to those who want fuel economy and will tow occasionally. The Nissan will be marketed to those who want to tow and haul heavier loads than most half ton owners, but don't want a 3/4 ton. Great stategies by both.

Ram has no need for the 5.0L Cummins as it's too close to the capability of their other offerings. The 3.0L was what they needed as it offers better MPG. Look at all the ads for the EcoDiesel. Great mpg is what they brag about, not it's HD towing and hauling capabilities.

Yes ! exactly
Horses for courses,they don't compete with each other , so more choices is good,pick the one that suits your needs.

Exactly! As long as it has the big "C" under the hood. 😉

[hone_eagle]

ib516 wrote:
Someone (the author of that article) GETS IT. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is marketed to those who want fuel economy and will tow occasionally. The Nissan will be marketed to those who want to tow and haul heavier loads than most half ton owners, but don't want a 3/4 ton. Great stategies by both.

Ram has no need for the 5.0L Cummins as it's too close to the capability of their other offerings. The 3.0L was what they needed as it offers better MPG. Look at all the ads for the EcoDiesel. Great mpg is what they brag about, not it's HD towing and hauling capabilities.

Yes ! exactly
Horses for courses,they don't compete with each other , so more choices is good,pick the one that suits your needs.

[Bionic_Man]

ib1516 & Scott get it. I am not sure why everyone else has such a hard time with that.

The truck was not designed to tow RVs. And most trucks, especially 1500's, rarely tow much.

[ib516]

Someone (the author of that article) GETS IT. The Ram 1500 EcoDiesel is marketed to those who want fuel economy and will tow occasionally. The Nissan will be marketed to those who want to tow and haul heavier loads than most half ton owners, but don't want a 3/4 ton. Great stategies by both.

Ram has no need for the 5.0L Cummins as it's too close to the capability of their other offerings. The 3.0L was what they needed as it offers better MPG. Look at all the ads for the EcoDiesel. Great mpg is what they brag about, not it's HD towing and hauling capabilities.

[ScottG]

The two trucks and their respective power trains are aimed at very different markets.

[Cummins12V98]

donn0128 wrote:

Cummins12V98 wrote:
IMHO a real shame RAM let that CUMMINS go to the competition! I mean really who wants an "EGO DIESEL" ?

Uhhh Ram does not own Cummins, so in reality Ram has no say in the matter!

Uhhh I never said they did.

Someone can correctly but the Cummins was intended for the RAM but Fiat wanted to use their own engine "EGO DIESEL" so Fred Diaz took the Cummins with him when he left RAM and went to Nissan.