โJan-02-2023 12:07 PM
โJan-08-2023 05:15 AM
RetiredRealtorRick wrote:map40 wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
The i3 is a great concept, but also probably the best argument ever as to why alcohol consumption should never be allowed in design studios.
They gave a group of engineers green light to design the best electric car they could, and they did. The I3 is not a luxury sedan, a highway cruiser or a race car. It's a daily derived with a plan to overcome the biggest problem of EVs: Dependency on the charger. From really skinny tires so you have more foot space to carbon fiber panels made in 4 minutes (that even today no other company can replicate), It is an incredible design, but also a perfect proof that EVs are only good for certain applications, not all applications.
To the subject of this thread, I don't see EV trucks taking over the market with the current technology or with the technology that is coming.
I agree with much of what you say, but I think very few people have uttered the words . . . "look at that i3 . . . what a beautiful car!"
Face it, it's butt ugly, and didn't have to be. (Case in point: 2023 Prius vs. the current Prius)
โJan-08-2023 03:12 AM
map40 wrote:RetiredRealtorRick wrote:
The i3 is a great concept, but also probably the best argument ever as to why alcohol consumption should never be allowed in design studios.
They gave a group of engineers green light to design the best electric car they could, and they did. The I3 is not a luxury sedan, a highway cruiser or a race car. It's a daily derived with a plan to overcome the biggest problem of EVs: Dependency on the charger. From really skinny tires so you have more foot space to carbon fiber panels made in 4 minutes (that even today no other company can replicate), It is an incredible design, but also a perfect proof that EVs are only good for certain applications, not all applications.
To the subject of this thread, I don't see EV trucks taking over the market with the current technology or with the technology that is coming.
โJan-07-2023 01:01 PM
JRscooby wrote:SterlingHayden wrote:
So you actually believe when enough EVs replace ICE vehicles for it to show up on the revenue balance sheets in brackets, they're not going to be sticking their hands in the EV owners pockets to make it back up? Come on man. Where are they going to get those funds?
One reason given for fuel tax revenues not keeping up with road building/maintenance is better MPG means more miles driven per dollar of tax collected. 1 fair and easy way to fix this problem would beo zero out the per gallon tax, replace with per mile tax.
โJan-07-2023 11:55 AM
Reisender wrote:map40 wrote:Reisender wrote:
For what itโs worth, 7 years ago when we bought our first EV it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now itโs 6 times, and that is being conservative.
Our cross Canada trip pulling our little trailer behind our EV would have been easily four times as much if we had been pulling it with our old grand Cherokee. The phone APP tracks all that.
To each his own and I have nothing against gas or diesel vehicles. They work well in many situations. But I would never go back. At least not for our needs. Diesel rules for heavy towing but in the near future electric will do fine in the RV world for those with smaller, lighter and lower profile trailers.
Jmho.
Thanks for sharing! How did the towing affected the range?
As I said from the beginning, EVs are good for some people and some applications. And in those cases they are ADDICTIVE because they are so good.
Not everybody falls in this category, but to understand it you have to forget politics, preconceptions and ideologies, and simply evaluate facts.
Good morning Map40. It pretty much cuts the range in half. We didnโt have this trailer when we had our grand Cherokee but this kind of load pretty much did the same to our grand cherokees range. It did have about 60 kilometres greater range though. But it was a total gutless pig compared to this one. And it stunk like hell when it heated up. And with this tow vehicle we never worry about hot breaks, even on 13 percent grades. The regen looks after pretty much all the braking.
Happy trails.
โJan-07-2023 11:53 AM
Reisender wrote:d1h wrote:
So if EV's are supposed to be replacing ICE vehicles why are they still building these huge gas stations with multiple lanes of gas pumps?
I would think itโs a 30 to 40 year transition. People need fuel. Norway is well on its way to selling only electric but they have pretty much the same amount of gas stations. They all just have a half dozen or a dozen DC fast chargers now as well. Thatโs actually getting really common up here in BC. Chevron, Esso, Petro Canada, Shell. They are all adding fast chargers REALLY FAST. I would say just in the last month there are probably 30 more locations of DC fast chargers at the various brands of stations. Quite often the gas price is displayed close to the Electric price.
โJan-07-2023 11:42 AM
d1h wrote:
So if EV's are supposed to be replacing ICE vehicles why are they still building these huge gas stations with multiple lanes of gas pumps?
โJan-07-2023 06:58 AM
SterlingHayden wrote:
So you actually believe when enough EVs replace ICE vehicles for it to show up on the revenue balance sheets in brackets, they're not going to be sticking their hands in the EV owners pockets to make it back up? Come on man. Where are they going to get those funds?
โJan-07-2023 06:54 AM
d1h wrote:
So if EV's are supposed to be replacing ICE vehicles why are they still building these huge gas stations with multiple lanes of gas pumps?
โJan-07-2023 06:47 AM
โJan-07-2023 06:43 AM
map40 wrote:Reisender wrote:
For what itโs worth, 7 years ago when we bought our first EV it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now itโs 6 times, and that is being conservative.
Our cross Canada trip pulling our little trailer behind our EV would have been easily four times as much if we had been pulling it with our old grand Cherokee. The phone APP tracks all that.
To each his own and I have nothing against gas or diesel vehicles. They work well in many situations. But I would never go back. At least not for our needs. Diesel rules for heavy towing but in the near future electric will do fine in the RV world for those with smaller, lighter and lower profile trailers.
Jmho.
Thanks for sharing! How did the towing affected the range?
As I said from the beginning, EVs are good for some people and some applications. And in those cases they are ADDICTIVE because they are so good.
Not everybody falls in this category, but to understand it you have to forget politics, preconceptions and ideologies, and simply evaluate facts.
โJan-07-2023 06:33 AM
Reisender wrote:
For what itโs worth, 7 years ago when we bought our first EV it was 4 times cheaper to drive electric than gas. Now itโs 6 times, and that is being conservative.
Our cross Canada trip pulling our little trailer behind our EV would have been easily four times as much if we had been pulling it with our old grand Cherokee. The phone APP tracks all that.
To each his own and I have nothing against gas or diesel vehicles. They work well in many situations. But I would never go back. At least not for our needs. Diesel rules for heavy towing but in the near future electric will do fine in the RV world for those with smaller, lighter and lower profile trailers.
Jmho.
โJan-07-2023 06:25 AM
โJan-07-2023 06:20 AM
shelbyfv wrote:
And all this will happen within the next year! :S
โJan-07-2023 06:12 AM
SterlingHayden wrote:map40 wrote:SterlingHayden wrote:map40 wrote:
To give you real numbers, my son drives 40 miles each way to work every day. Heave traffic one part and highway. In his old car, $300 in gas per month in a good month. In his I3, $31 in electricity, $0 in gas (never had to use it). Of course, his case is a very faverable, but as I said, when it makes sense and is cheaper...
That's all pussygood, and will be right up until until the powers that be slap on some sort of mileage tax, EV tax, call it what you will, to make up for the lost fuel tax revenues. You can bet your arse that's on the way soon. If history of such things holds true he'll then be paying more than the original $300.00 he paid in gas. Add to that the current energy policy in the US is driving electricity and other energy costs through the stratosphere, and you're just seeing the beginning of the fiasco. Give it a year and your electric bill is going to look more like a mortgage payment coupon.
I was told the same thing in 2012 when I got a Nissan Leaf. Incredibly well built, did not even had to change brake pads until 120k miles. Is 2023, I am still not paying taxes or terribly high energy costs.
As I said before, forget politics and preconceptions, just look at things for what they are. I am well aware of the risks, and of it happens I can easily produce my own energy, it's quite easy.
So you actually believe when enough EVs replace ICE vehicles for it to show up on the revenue balance sheets in brackets, they're not going to be sticking their hands in the EV owners pockets to make it back up? Come on man. Where are they going to get those funds?
โJan-07-2023 05:50 AM