f150 versus f250

[TyroneandGladys]

What is the advantage/disadvantage of a f250 over a f150 if the drivetrain are the same and the tow capacity on both 15,000lbs? Would be used to pull a 27 foot travel trailer not a 5th wheel.

Thanks

[Samsonsworld]

Point was, the axle ratings aren't just based on what the axle can handle, but also on variable such as the suspension and cooling system on the truck. And again, he's talking about towing a 27' travel trailer. That doesn't take much class.

[JIMNLIN]

Ben wrote:
There are TWO eccoboost 3.5L's with 6K GVWR...still waiting for
you to post their RGAWR's...but you might be right...I just didn't
want to spend the time to weed through several dozen F150's
checking if they have a tow package...

Looking at Fleet Ford body spec sheets shows 7 different RAWR from 2012 up to 2015 at 3300/3500/3800/3850/4050/4550 and the biggest at 4800. Which GVWR packages they go with I have no idea.

IMO the OP has got his answer and its quite obvious from Fleet Fords body service spec Fleet Ford on the F150 and the F250 they are two different vehicles. Even the F150 HD is simply out classed by the F250 HD for pulling/or carrying heavy loads.

[wing_zealot]

Samsonsworld wrote:

wing_zealot wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Too bad you can't get a decent size travel trailer with a tongue weight less than 2300lbs.

Except your not limited to 2300 lbs. You can use a WDH and move weight to the front axle and trailer axles.

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through sometimes. At a 12% tongue weight, that would be a 19k lb trailer.

Ahhh - Got it now! (i'm slow) 🙂 I actually have an F-250 with about 145,000 miles on it. But if I had it to do over again, or money was no object, I'd love to put my trailer behind a properly equipped F150 - for a whole raft of reasons. Such as it is, that won't be happening unless I win the lottery.

[Samsonsworld]

wing_zealot wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Too bad you can't get a decent size travel trailer with a tongue weight less than 2300lbs.

Except your not limited to 2300 lbs. You can use a WDH and move weight to the front axle and trailer axles.

Sorry, sarcasm doesn't come through sometimes. At a 12% tongue weight, that would be a 19k lb trailer.

[wing_zealot]

Samsonsworld wrote:
Too bad you can't get a decent size travel trailer with a tongue weight less than 2300lbs.

Except your not limited to 2300 lbs. You can use a WDH and move weight to the front axle and trailer axles.

[Samsonsworld]

The Tremor. A regular cab short bed. Don't know too many people that use those as tow vehicles. It's a sport truck. Not sure you can get them with a tow package. All 3.5l ecoboosts come with the 9.75 gear set (larger axle). All 4x4's come with the 9.75 gear set.

[BenK]

Check out this page snap shot from Ford.com :B
Ford.com, spec's, payload package selector

OBTW...there are about 2-3 dozen or more of them F150's...and is where
I learned to appreciate Russ's comments for having the detailed
mind to actually count'm... :B


There are TWO eccoboost 3.5L's with 6K GVWR...still waiting for
you to post their RGAWR's...but you might be right...I just didn't
want to spend the time to weed through several dozen F150's
checking if they have a tow package...


FordGVWR Fordpayloadselector Fordspec fordGVWR15jul02

Samsonsworld wrote:
If it has a tow package, there isn't a F150 3.5l ecoboost that has a 6k gvwr.

[Samsonsworld]

If it has a tow package, there isn't a F150 3.5l ecoboost that has a 6k gvwr.

[thomasmnile]

rickeoni wrote:

Samsonsworld wrote:
Except in a parking lot. 😉

Never had an issue.

Now, THAT's funny! :B

[rhagfo]

BenK wrote:
So am confused WHICH F150 you are talking about...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 7,xxx GVWR ones...

Or the fake one with the 8,xxx GVWR?

What is the RGAWR of the one referenced in the quote below?

On that...how many RGAWR's does all of these F150's potentially
come with?

PS...I did help a guy who burned up his F150's rear diff because
he listened to advice here on this portal...that 'sure you can, I've
been doing it for a long time with my F150'...but the advisers
F150 is the fake half ton with the ~6K RGAWR and the poor guy
who followed his advice had a regular F150 with an ~4K RGAWR...

THAT is my point...which 'half ton' are you talking about...out of
the approx 14 different F150's someone once posted are listed by
this OEM...

PPS...the difference between the adviser and poor soul who took
his advise is just under 2,000 lbs in RGAWR...

Samsonsworld wrote:
You make it sound like like Ford has a dozen different axles it uses on the F150. The difference between a HD 8200 GVWR and a 7200GVWR standard tow on a 4x4 screw eco are the stiffer springs, HD shocks, 7 lug wheels and e-rated tires, yet it affects both AWR's and payload by 1,000lbs. Affect handling? Sure. But people aren't destroying axles because they're F150 has a lower RAWR. It's the same flippin axle.

LOL! :B

Now days marketing plays games with the numbers so bad, I looked about a year ago and found the F150 had like 12 to 15 different GVWR!! Every little tweak changed the GVWR by about 50#.

Go back 15 years my 2500 Ram came with two different axles a Dana 70 or and 80, both with a GAWR of 6,084 and a GVWR of 8,800#, Mine came with the camper Package. It included 3500 springs and rear sway bar, and larger 265/75-16E tires with a weight rating of 3,415# compared to stock 245/75-16 E at 3'042#. Do you think either the GRAWR or the GVWR changed for these additions, nope sams as without.

[BenK]

So am confused WHICH F150 you are talking about...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 6,xxx GVWR ones...

Is it the 7,xxx GVWR ones...

Or the fake one with the 8,xxx GVWR?

What is the RGAWR of the one referenced in the quote below?

On that...how many RGAWR's does all of these F150's potentially
come with?

PS...I did help a guy who burned up his F150's rear diff because
he listened to advice here on this portal...that 'sure you can, I've
been doing it for a long time with my F150'...but the advisers
F150 is the fake half ton with the ~6K RGAWR and the poor guy
who followed his advice had a regular F150 with an ~4K RGAWR...

THAT is my point...which 'half ton' are you talking about...out of
the approx 14 different F150's someone once posted are listed by
this OEM...

PPS...the difference between the adviser and poor soul who took
his advise is just under 2,000 lbs in RGAWR...

Samsonsworld wrote:
You make it sound like like Ford has a dozen different axles it uses on the F150. The difference between a HD 8200 GVWR and a 7200GVWR standard tow on a 4x4 screw eco are the stiffer springs, HD shocks, 7 lug wheels and e-rated tires, yet it affects both AWR's and payload by 1,000lbs. Affect handling? Sure. But people aren't destroying axles because they're F150 has a lower RAWR. It's the same flippin axle.

[Samsonsworld]

You make it sound like like Ford has a dozen different axles it uses on the F150. The difference between a HD 8200 GVWR and a 7200GVWR standard tow on a 4x4 screw eco are the stiffer springs, HD shocks, 7 lug wheels and e-rated tires, yet it affects both AWR's and payload by 1,000lbs. Affect handling? Sure. But people aren't destroying axles because they're F150 has a lower RAWR. It's the same flippin axle.

[IdaD]

JIMNLIN wrote:

With over 12,000 miles towing my camper and were still waiting for the frame to bend and axles to fall out from under this truck, plus the brakes are larger than your 2001 Dodge. Look it up

Remember brakes are a function of the GAWRs at a minumum ie; the 3/4 ton trucks brakes can be the same size as its one ton SRW sister.

My previous '01 Dodge/Cummins 2500 had a 6084 RAWR and a 4800 FAWR = 10844 lbs of braking at a minimum.

The F150 with the 3300 lb payload has a tiny 3400 FAWR and a small 4800 RAWR = 8200 lbs of braking performance.

Now about 3300 lb of payload. There is no F150 that can carry 3300 lbs in the bed of the truck without exceeding 4800 RAWR. Fords advertising is mis leading lots of new folks into thinking they can carry a 3300 lb wet weight truck camper or a 3300 lb wet pin weight.

The most weight in the bed, on the 4800 rear axle, is around 2300 lbs. The 4550 and 4050 axle even less.

Good post. Some people are absolutely transfixed on the stated payload capacity they don't look at everything. With half tons in particular you need to be careful about the tire and axle ratings too.

As an aside, my 2015 Cummins axle ratings work out to 12,500 lbs - 6500 rear and 6000 front. Pretty big difference from your old '01.

[Samsonsworld]

Too bad you can't get a decent size travel trailer with a tongue weight less than 2300lbs.