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Glow Step Revolution: Pros & Cons (See Update in 1st Post)

profdant139
Explorer II
Explorer II
(See update at end of this post. Bottom line -- don't loosen the scissor step bolts. See below for details.)

As you probably already know, Torklift contacted several folks and offered to send each of us a Glow Step Revolution (“GSR” – much shorter). They asked us to post our impressions of the product on rv.net, but (of course) they did not tell us what to say. Bottom line: this is a fairly “glowing” review (pun intended), but this product is not for everyone, as I will explain below. You can see more about the product here – I won’t repeat the stuff on the manufacturer’s website:

Glow Step site

The purpose of this posting is to help folks who are already interested in the GSR and who are trying to decide whether to order one. I posted a separate entry regarding installation on the Do It Yourself forum, assuming that you want to try to install it yourself (which I did). (I am going to try to cross-link the two discussions, but I am not sure that is possible.) Here is the link:

Installation tips and issues

So, here are the Pros: First, I think that the GSR is much safer than our original equipment steps were. There is no big gap to watch out for when going up or down. The stairs go all the way to the ground. We won’t need to tote along a step-stool, which is so often wobbly (especially when boondocking in rough terrain). The GSR steps are much steadier, since the legs rest right on the ground. (And the legs adjust to different heights, since the campsite always slopes up or down a little, and sometimes a lot.) Since the GSR provides you with three or four steps instead of two, each step is smaller, requiring less effort to balance safely (especially when carrying heavy loads in or out of the trailer).

Second, I think the GSR is a lot easier on the knees, ankles, and hips, which is a big deal for older campers (like me) – three smaller steps instead of two big ones. It would be easier for small children and small pets, too, but I do not have first-hand experience with that. I can also add that because my wife is vertically challenged (about 5 feet tall), she finds the GSR makes it easier to get in and out. That is especially true because our trailer is raised (due to an axle-flip) for boondocking and off-road travel, so there is a long way to climb.

Third, the GSR greatly reduces shaking inside the trailer when in use. There are two major benefits to this feature – it is less annoying to the folks inside the trailer. But more importantly, it cuts down on the progressive loosening of the stabilizers over time. Have you ever noticed that even if your trailer is pretty stable when you first set up, it gets less stable over a period of a couple of days? I think that’s because the stabilizers settle a little every time you go in and out of the trailer. The GSR really cuts down on that problem, in my opinion.

Fourth, the company did a great job with “fitment” -- they told me exactly what measurements to take, and the new steps slipped into place perfectly (with one exception – see the “cons,” below).

Fifth, the GSR is easier to deploy and retract than our original steps were. Those heavy steel steps were very balky and awkward. The GSR glides in and out – very slick. This is not a huge plus, but it is not trivial, either.

So now, the Cons: First, this unit costs a lot of money, even without paying for installation (discussed below). Is it worth it? The answer is “it depends.” If you have great knees and hips, and if your trailer is not raised, and if you don’t mind the shakes, and if you are on a budget, this product may not be worth it. But as you check off the various factors (aging legs, decent finances, a shaky trailer, a desire for greater safety, small pets), then the GSR becomes more of a necessity and less of a luxury item.

Second, the engineering of the steps is beautiful – a clever and intricate folding mechanism. Why is that a “con?” Because I am a little concerned that the sand and grit of boondocking will abrade the moving parts. Obviously, I will open up the steps and rinse them off after every trip, but still, it is a concern. It is too soon to tell if this will be an issue. Frankly, I have looked on the Internet for complaints about this, and I have found nothing, so this may be a non-issue. (I plan to add a mud flap behind my right tire, which is right in front of the door and the steps, to cut down on the mud and grit.)

Third, the installation was a lot of fun (I love working on my trailer!), but it was not effortless. I did it by myself – no helper – and I had to develop some work-arounds to lift it into place. (If you are interested in the details, see the Do It Yourself forum.) I had to drill through the metal step brackets on my trailer – that is a necessary part of the job. There was a lot of bending and kneeling and squatting, on less-than-wonderful legs (see above). I would say that unless you are both moderately fit and moderately handy, this is not a job that you want to do yourself. So that adds some cost, if you have it done at a dealership or by a mechanic.

Fourth, the design of the GSR makes the installation a little tougher than it should be. Without getting into too much detail, the heads of the rear pivot bolts protrude slightly from the sides of the step frame housing, so you have to make room for them by cutting into the metal brackets on your trailer. The instructions that come with the GSR say: “Side brackets vary by manufacturer, and may need to be trimmed to clear the hardware protruding through the sides of the GSR frame.” Measuring for that cut-out and drilling the hole in the bracket to accommodate the bolt heads was pretty tricky. (I searched for other people’s installation stories, and many of them mentioned this exact issue.)

The unit would be much easier to mount if the rear pivot pin were brazed, welded, or cast as part of the frame, rather than being secured by a bolt. Alternatively, the bolt head could be countersunk into the side of the frame, to avoid interfering with the brackets.

Until this minor issue is fixed, the installer has to be a moderately competent do-it-yourselfer or a professional. But if that obstacle were to be removed, almost anyone could install the GSR, thus expanding the market for the product. I say “almost anyone” because there are people who are not comfortable drilling through metal with a hand held drill motor, and holes must be drilled. Of course, the mounting holes on the GSR are not matched up with the existing holes on the mounting brackets on the trailer – there is no way that they can be matched up, since there are so many different bracket configurations. And the drilling has to be done with the brackets on the trailer – most brackets are welded on.

Given all the pros and cons, and knowing what I know now, would I have paid my own money to buy this unit? Yes, certainly. I might have had to persuade my wife that this was a good investment (she is very thrifty – thank goodness), but I think I could have done so. After all, if you take the cost of the GSR and amortize it over however many days of camping you expect to get out of your trailer, it comes out to pennies per day.

Anyway, that’s my review -- I hope you found it helpful, and I would be happy to answer any and all questions.

(Update -- during the course of the discussion below, someone suggested loosening the scissor bolts slightly, so that the whole assembly would deploy faster and easier. I thought that sounded like a good idea. There are 36 bolts secured by nylon-core locknuts. Almost all of the bolts and nuts are seven-sixteenths, with the exception of a couple of allen-wrench bolts. I carefully backed each one off by an eighth of a turn -- a tedious job, but not technically demanding. I then put the steps into the stored position and then tried to deploy them.

Well, they deployed real fast, but not easy -- the whole step assembly shot out of the frame, and the "landing gear" slammed onto the ground. No damage to the steps, my fingers, or my feet, but this is not good. I retightened the bolts, and the whole thing now glides sedately out of the frame into position, no drama, no damage.

Your mileage may vary -- maybe loosen them by a sixteenth of a turn? But I am going to leave well enough alone!)
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Halmfamily
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Our revised GSR are on the way, hopefully be here tomorrow. Do the new ones open easier? I had a heck of time retracting ours on our last trip, it was really cold outside, thought I was going to damage them getting them back in. They are a great product, can't wait to try the new ones.
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Merrykalia
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We got ours today, but we are leaving for a 10 day cruise tomorrow, so it'll be after the 15th before we are able to install ours. I really like the old GSRs, so I am sure we will really love the new ones.
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Bigbird65
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Explorer
I upgraded the GlowStep Revolution today with the new steps sent by Torklift. I had to move the mounting parts from the original steps as well as the landing gear over to the new steps. I am also going to be evaluating the DirtDestroyer that is clipped on the side of the steps.



This is where I mounted the lanyard for the safety pin.


Here are my camping buddies.


The new steps are fitted with a complete set of phenolic washers instead of the stainless steel ones. This makes the deployment and retraction of the steps a lot smoother than the original steps. I can't think of anything that Torklift could do to make the steps easier to operate.
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profdant139
Explorer II
Explorer II
austinjenna, I am a big fan of the Glowsteps, but they are not for everyone, as my original post indicates (I am the OP of this this thread). If your knees are in good shape, if you feel safe and secure carrying heavy loads up and down the original steps, if you don't mind that the RV shakes a little when you go up and down the steps, then you are exactly right -- there is really no need to spend a chunk of change on the Glowsteps.

I should add that because we boondock a lot, we would not be in the market for those LED lights -- the Glowsteps have little stickers that glow in the dark, which is really handy in a very dark place (which is where we camp). But in an RV park with hookups, the LEDs might be a good idea -- one more safety measure.
2012 Fun Finder X-139 "Boondock Style" (axle-flipped and extra insulation)
2013 Toyota Tacoma Off-Road (semi-beefy tires and components)
Our trips -- pix and text
About our trailer
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single list."

Bigbird65
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Explorer
2012Coleman wrote:
Did the LED company give you those lights in return for free advertising in the forum too?


No, I saw this idea on another post and decided to use it. Thank you for asking.
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Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
austinjenna wrote:
I guess I am the minority here. The steps that came with my fiver work just fine. I see no need to replace them.


The typical RV steps for the most part gets the job done, however they often wobble and can be too high or too low to the ground depending on the levelness of the site.
GSR addresses these common issues. By having steps reach the ground, they are able to support the step using the ground.
Supporting the steps via the ground eliminates the wiggle and creates a sound platform to walk on.
By extending step to ground level the last step is no longer a trick high or low step, but it is a smooth transition to ground level.
GSR's are a definite improvement over the traditional towable RV exterior steps.
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2012Coleman
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Did the LED company give you those lights in return for free advertising in the forum too?
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austinjenna
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I guess I am the minority here. The steps that came with my fiver work just fine. I see no need to replace them.

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Bigbird65
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Explorer
Here is some Extra GLOW for the GlowStep Revolution. I used a pair of 4" blue LED strips from Autozone. The brand is Alpena and P/N 77446. The price for the LED package was $15.99. I already had 12v power on the underside of the trailer for my portable air compressor. The LEDs only pull 0.109 amps. I removed the steps to make it easier to get above the steps for mounting the LEDs.







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myredracer
Explorer II
Explorer II
Bigbird65 wrote:
Halmfamily wrote:
Merrykalia wrote:
They are working on a new improved model - supposed to be ready within the next few weeks, so you will be fine to wait until springtime to purchase.....just in time for the season.


I got an email from Torklift on Thursday, they are sending me a set of the new and improved steps to replace the original set. They said they are using a new style washer that will help with deploying the steps. Also have a leash for the safety pin. I'll let you know how they perform once I get them and install them.


Same here.


Do you know if there are more improvements or is that pretty much it?

Bigbird65
Explorer
Explorer
Halmfamily wrote:
Merrykalia wrote:
They are working on a new improved model - supposed to be ready within the next few weeks, so you will be fine to wait until springtime to purchase.....just in time for the season.


I got an email from Torklift on Thursday, they are sending me a set of the new and improved steps to replace the original set. They said they are using a new style washer that will help with deploying the steps. Also have a leash for the safety pin. I'll let you know how they perform once I get them and install them.


Same here.
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Halmfamily
Explorer
Explorer
Merrykalia wrote:
They are working on a new improved model - supposed to be ready within the next few weeks, so you will be fine to wait until springtime to purchase.....just in time for the season.


I got an email from Torklift on Thursday, they are sending me a set of the new and improved steps to replace the original set. They said they are using a new style washer that will help with deploying the steps. Also have a leash for the safety pin. I'll let you know how they perform once I get them and install them.
2008 GMC Sierra 3500 SLT DRW D/A 4x4 (Big All)
2006 Ford F350 PSD SRW King Ranch 4x4 (Henry) (Sold)
B&W Companion, 90 Aux Fuel Tank, Scan Gauge II, Curt f/m hitch, Swagman XC
2015 Forest River Sierra 360 PDEK
DW Diane, DS Michael, FB Draco and Sabian

Merrykalia
Explorer
Explorer
They are working on a new improved model - supposed to be ready within the next few weeks, so you will be fine to wait until springtime to purchase.....just in time for the season.
2017 Ford F350 Crew Cab 6.7L 4x4 DRW

Lantley
Nomad
Nomad
minnow wrote:
Well if Torklift is working on a new and improved model, I'll wait.


Me Too. The above^^^^ says it all!
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minnow
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Well if Torklift is working on a new and improved model, I'll wait.