Gm 2500HD GAS VS DIESEL

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Towing 16,000#
Gas 6.9mpg, diesel 10mpg
116,000 miles needed towing to pay off the diesel upgrade

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Gas 16mpg, diesel 19.9mpg
650,000 miles needed to pay off the diesel

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Huntindog wrote:
Yes it costs more for a diesel upfront.
Every time you get a new truck, that premium you paid transfers to the new truck. IOW. it is pretty cheap to stay in a diesel.... And if you ever decide to go back to gas for any reason, you will then recoup your premium.

That is a great point and very true. I trade every 2-3 years and it doesn't hurt as bad. Keep them too long and you start over and that sucks.

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bid_time wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
All these half ton owners that have a GM 5.3L, GM 6.2L, Ford 5.0L, Ford Ecoboost, Ram 5.7L or Toyota 5.7L are all stupid because they will never recoup the cost in fuel over the base engine. So are all of those V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners because they will never recoup the cost over the V6.

Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

I'll put the overall mpg of my ecoboost up against your diesel for a year any day of the week. And my fuel is cheaper to boot. BTDT got the tee shirt.

As long as your ecoboost can tow a 15K 5'er we got a deal.
But if it can't it's no use to me.:W.
Now if you want to compare your towing MPG to mine we can talk.
I purchased my dually to tow my fiver. It does that job very well.
All other considerations and capabilities are including MPG's are not really important to me in the long run.

[ShinerBock]

bid_time wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
All these half ton owners that have a GM 5.3L, GM 6.2L, Ford 5.0L, Ford Ecoboost, Ram 5.7L or Toyota 5.7L are all stupid because they will never recoup the cost in fuel over the base engine. So are all of those V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners because they will never recoup the cost over the V6.

Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

I'll put the overall mpg of my ecoboost up against your diesel for a year any day of the week. And my fuel is cheaper to boot. BTDT got the tee shirt.

I am guessing you did not get my sarcasm in that post.


Although I would gladly put your EcoBoost against my diesel any day of the week. You did not specify which one of my diesels and one of them gets 43 mpg combined and the other gets 17 mpg combined hand calculated. Both are deleted and tuned.

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ShinerBock wrote:
All these half ton owners that have a GM 5.3L, GM 6.2L, Ford 5.0L, Ford Ecoboost, Ram 5.7L or Toyota 5.7L are all stupid because they will never recoup the cost in fuel over the base engine. So are all of those V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners because they will never recoup the cost over the V6.

Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

I'll put the overall mpg of my ecoboost up against your diesel for a year any day of the week. And my fuel is cheaper to boot. BTDT got the tee shirt.

[noteven]

ShinerBock wrote:

noteven wrote:
Um, like, pickup truck engines aren’t “HD” diesels ... they are wee babies compared to truck engines 🙂

It is what the brands call their class 2b and 3 pick up trucks. Ram and GM call them HD, Ford calls them SD, and Nissan calls them XD. It is how they reference their heavy duty version of their light duty full size trucks. People here(well most anyway) know these references and that they don't actually mean a class 7-8 heavy duty truck.

Shiner - yer right I walked over to the Dodge’s tailgate leaning up in the shop and it’s right there in inglish: “Heavy Duty” 🙂

[ShinerBock]

noteven wrote:
Um, like, pickup truck engines aren’t “HD” diesels ... they are wee babies compared to truck engines 🙂

It is what the brands call their class 2b and 3 pick up trucks. Ram and GM call them HD, Ford calls them SD, and Nissan calls them XD. It is how they reference their heavy duty version of their light duty full size trucks. People here(well most anyway) know these references and that they don't actually mean a class 7-8 heavy duty truck.

[noteven]

Um, like, pickup truck engines aren’t “HD” diesels ... they are wee babies compared to truck engines 🙂

[Huntindog]

Yes it costs more for a diesel upfront.
Every time you get a new truck, that premium you paid transfers to the new truck. IOW. it is pretty cheap to stay in a diesel.... And if you ever decide to go back to gas for any reason, you will then recoup your premium.

[IdaD]

What often gets overlooked in the gas vs diesel cost of ownership debate is the fact that the diesel variants of HD trucks are...substantially better trucks. I would happily pay a $9000 premium in total ownership cost to get a diesel truck because the performance is so far superior, but happily I don't have to.

[ShinerBock]

wnjj wrote:

ShinerBock wrote:
Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

To be fair to those discussing recouping costs, the 2nd post in this thread was from a diesel owner saying they're close to "paying off" their diesel.

What I am saying is that this is not the reason why he or any other HD diesel owner buys one. If he puts enough miles on it to pay for itself in fuel economy savings alone, it is just a secondary benefit. It is silly to an HD diesel owner to hear people say that this is their main reason or even one of their reasons especially if they haven't done the math yet.

[wnjj]

ShinerBock wrote:
Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

To be fair to those discussing recouping costs, the 2nd post in this thread was from a diesel owner saying they're close to "paying off" their diesel.

[ShinerBock]

All these half ton owners that have a GM 5.3L, GM 6.2L, Ford 5.0L, Ford Ecoboost, Ram 5.7L or Toyota 5.7L are all stupid because they will never recoup the cost in fuel over the base engine. So are all of those V8 Camaro/Mustang/Challenger owners because they will never recoup the cost over the V6.

Yes, it sounds this stupid to an HD diesel owner when an HD gasser owner says they will never recoup their money.

[trail-explorer]

ScottG wrote:
You don't need to "pay off" the diesel upgrade. It pays back (sometimes with interest) when you sell the truck.

Besides, who in the world buys a diesel because it's cheaper? You buy it because it does the job better and more comfortably.

Ditto on all of the above.

It's a lot less effortless towing with a diesel than a gas truck. I am not constantly managing my throttle application in anticipation of hills, etc.

[deltabravo]

I saw a 2020 6.6L gas truck a few weeks ago at Dave Smith.

They are ugly.