I sure hope I did the right thing! (Update)

[Greene728]

Well, over the weekend the DW and I pulled the trigger on a (new to us) 2012 Ford Certified F-250 CC 4x4 with the 6.2 gas. Traded in my 05 model with the 6.0 PSD. The reasons were just to obvious to ignore any longer. The 6.0 was about to need quite a bit of work including injectors, egr, and possibly a FICM. I had the truck for 6yrs and only had 2 or 3 fairly minor issues up till recently when it hit 93xxx miles. We only pull our rig seasonal about 10-12 times a year with most trips (8-9) being local to the lake with the rest being less than 4-500 RT. Other than that its my DD to work and general running around. I did tons of research beforehand and narrowed it down to Ford and Dodge. I just favored the Ford due to brand loyalty to be honest. However, the Dodge was very tempting and a really nice truck. We found this one and got a great deal on both price and trade in. I'm sure its gonna be an adjustment towing, but I think overall for my uses its gonna be a good decision. I just couldn't justify the extra up front cost and maintenance, let alone price per gallon difference for less than 2500 mi or so a year towing. Thanks to many of you on here that helped with making my choice and didn't even realize you were doing it!
Fingers crossed!

2/4/15

I got my hitch install done end of last week and got to do a little 30 mile test pull on Monday. Wow is all I can say. So far this truck has exceeded my every expectation! It truly pulls and handles better than my 05 power stroke. Now it doesn't have that low end torque of course, but the overall experience is better. I also pulled my 24ft gooseneck with a buddy's tractor today too. Not real sure what the exact weight is, but its an older Massey Ferguson 135 (I think). 70's model diesel tractor and built heavy! I was able to lock out 6th gear and in tow/haul mode roll on like nobody's business! The transmission is the big difference I'm sure. And the info system is awesome too. After hooking up to my 5'er I was able to name it and keep a log of miles pulled, brake gain,etc. It even goes through an on screen safety checklist! Some of you already know and have this I'm sure. But it was the first time I'd seen or used it and thought it was awesome!!!
For my needs, driving style, towing requirements, and needs as a DD, I think Im gonna be very happy for quite awhile. Also, the elocker is great too. Pulling the gooseneck out of the barn on a slight grade with recent rains, I was spinning a bit. Locked the elocker and she never missed a beat. She just keeps on surprising me! Lol
Anybody looking at one of these trucks should seriously consider it. So far I am stuck with a huge grin on my face that is growing daily!

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

travelnutz wrote:
Turtle n Peeps,

You're going to need to lay off the sauce as you don't have a clew as to what HP vs Torque is and especially when towing/moving heavy loads or rigs. HP has never turned a vehicle drive ever, not even 1 millionth of a revolution as ONLY torque (the force) will do it, period! Only TORQUE turn the drive wheel/wheels and up to the RPM desired. Go peddle your useless jibberish to semi-driver, if you dare, and be prepared for them quickly telling you how dumb you are.

Most truckers have a whopping 450-500 HP but have 1600-2000+ torque and they move their 80,000 lbs just as fast down the same road as your inept same HP with lacking greatly in usable torque gas engine does with a rig weight of only less than 20,000 lbs total. DUH! How can that be or don't you begin to have a clew???

Add in that they do it with their low HP production diesel engine far more efficiently and for many times the miles any production gas engine could or would before it wouldn't even be able to run anymore let alone pull a load. You need to acquire some ed-ja-ma-ka-shun so you don't look so incredibly spaced out with your gearhead mentality blabber in your HP vs Torque post writings!

Back to the forum members how actually do know what they are talking about!

Nutz I expected better from you.

CAT agrees with me even if you don't. As you can see from the CAT chart it only takes about 150 wheel HP for a 34,000 lb rig to get down the road at 65 MPH.

Now that same rig going up a 6% grade needs about 400 HP to maintain the same speed.

That is the reason that your 1600 ft/lb, 300 HP truck engine will be crawling up a grade at 25 MPH with his flashers on in the slow lane.

HP is a timed formula. It tells how much work can be done. This is the reason CAT (look at the link I posted) doesn't even talk about torque.

That is the reason the EB with less torque will smoke an ED up a grade with more torque......because it has WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more HP.

In respect to the OP, I'm done here. If you still don't get it Nutz go argue with CAT.

[jmtandem]

With your reasoning lower torque must be better because a F450 truck has a higher tow rating with less torque than a F350 with the same engine.

Again, tow ratings by the manufacturers involve engines but also rear end ratios, transmissions, and diesel engine duty cycles. Maybe the F 450 is derated some for the duty cycle. I'll bet it is. Maybe you should study up on tow ratings and the variables that go into determining them. Duty cycles on an MDT truck (F 450) are likely not the same as the F 350 even if both have the diesel engine, hence the lower torque values for longer duty cycles. It only makes sense.

[NC_Hauler]

rhagfo wrote:

NC Hauler wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
As of this morning in Salem Oregon, Reg $1.95 Diesel $2.39. .44 difference. I'll take that all day long.

me too:)

Our Space Age on 185th is $1.90 reg and $2.29 for diesel, I will also take that any day.

In a heartbeat:)....Even around here, diesel prices are NOW dropping faster than gas prices. Comparing to my last gas equipped truck, an 01' 2500 Chevy 8.1/Allison....we'd celebrate when we got 11 mpg, EMPTY:).......

[travelnutz]

Turtle n Peeps,

You're going to need to lay off the sauce as you don't have a clew as to what HP vs Torque is and especially when towing/moving heavy loads or rigs. HP has never turned a vehicle drive ever, not even 1 millionth of a revolution as ONLY torque (the force) will do it, period! Only TORQUE turn the drive wheel/wheels and up to the RPM desired. Go peddle your useless jibberish to semi-driver, if you dare, and be prepared for them quickly telling you how dumb you are.

Most truckers have a whopping 450-500 HP but have 1600-2000+ torque and they move their 80,000 lbs just as fast down the same road as your inept same HP with lacking greatly in usable torque gas engine does with a rig weight of only less than 20,000 lbs total. DUH! How can that be or don't you begin to have a clew???

Add in that they do it with their low HP production diesel engine far more efficiently and for many times the miles any production gas engine could or would before it wouldn't even be able to run anymore let alone pull a load. You need to acquire some ed-ja-ma-ka-shun so you don't look so incredibly spaced out with your gearhead mentality blabber in your HP vs Torque post writings!

Back to the forum members how actually do know what they are talking about!

[rhagfo]

NC Hauler wrote:

goducks10 wrote:
As of this morning in Salem Oregon, Reg $1.95 Diesel $2.39. .44 difference. I'll take that all day long.

me too:)

Our Space Age on 185th is $1.90 reg and $2.29 for diesel, I will also take that any day.

[NC_Hauler]

goducks10 wrote:
As of this morning in Salem Oregon, Reg $1.95 Diesel $2.39. .44 difference. I'll take that all day long.

me too:)

[jmtandem]

This is what happens when you bring a knife (torque) to a gunfight (HP).

Since my RVing is not a race, I will take the eco diesel any day over the gasser. There are more things to consider than how fast it can go WOT up a hill. It would have been nice if they shared the rear end ratios, the fuel economy numbers at WOT up that hill towing, and the hp and torque numbers for each engine. It would be fun to watch the same two trucks/trailers climb WOT up the interstate to the Eisenhower tunnel and see what altitude does to the test results. Turbo diesels excell at altitude.

[jmtandem]

This is what happens when you bring a knife (torque) to a gunfight (HP).

I have never seen a knife run out of bullets or jam. Guns, yes. Maybe knifes are the better long term dependable weapon. That is one of the strong points of a diesel and why they are the engine of choice for industry, ships, trains, generators, over the road trucks and construction equipment, etc. Kind of silly really, both engines have their place and both their strong points. It just depends on the application which is better to use.

[jmtandem]

I just traded in my 2010 5.7l/4.30 tundra for a 2015 Ford f250 6.2 3.73 4x4 ccsb.

You went from a 'grocery getter' to a truck. What is not to like?

[jmtandem]

As of this morning in Salem Oregon, Reg $1.95 Diesel $2.39. .44 difference. I'll take that all day long.

For the substantial increase in oil burner torque over a gas engine, I too will take it all day long.

[goducks10]

As of this morning in Salem Oregon, Reg $1.95 Diesel $2.39. .44 difference. I'll take that all day long.

[nohurry]

OP, congrats on your new truck! We have one as well and I still get a big grin when I drive it. For us it is a perfect match for our TT, which has GVWR of 7600 lbs. My previous truck was from the other side of the spectrum though (2003 F150 W/ 5.4), so I jumped up 100 HP, and gained enough payload that I could now tell the wife she could bring anything she wanted! The 6.2 has been through a full 4 years of production now and proven itself to be a strong, and reliable power plant. Enjoy.

[katoom400]

I just traded in my 2010 5.7l/4.30 tundra for a 2015 Ford f250 6.2 3.73 4x4 ccsb.

I only complaint I had about the tundra was the low payload capacity which is what brought me to a 3/4 ton truck. power and torque on the tundra was outstanding for a gas motor pulling ~7500lb TT!

now the ford feels much slower off the line with the 3.73's and ford's neutered tuning, but I'm hoping for a much better overall towing experience with the Ford. It will be at least 2 months before I get to pull the TT.

so far I'm very happy with the 6.2l Ford, I don't drive it like a race car so it's just fine for me. I might consider a tuner down the road, but many of the reports I've read give praise to the stock 6.2l/3.73 combo for anything up to 10k and some even report good results with heavier combos.

fuel mileage is right about 13mpg right now with a mix city/highway. the truck only has 1000 miles on it so it should get better once it breaks in and we come out of the winter fuel.

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

rhagfo wrote:

Turtle n Peeps wrote:
Well lets see:

Going from one of the most unreliable to a very reliable engine. Check.

Going from 325 to almost 400 HP. Check.

Going from a 5 speed to a 6 speed? Check.

Staying with a Ford truck with great interior. Check.

Yep, I would say you did good. About the only time the old PS would out tow your new truck is if you were in Leadville Co. 🙂

Contrary to popular belief on this forum, torque is not power and your new truck has almost 75 more HP than your old one.

Enjoy, you have a great truck.

Well Turtle n Peeps can agree with all your statements except the last two!

I tow more than the OP's 5er by 1,500# (11,000# 5er) with less than 285 hp, but a ton of torque. I have 3.55 gears, and I can pull 6% grades at the speed limit of 55 to 60 mph on secondary roads and 65 on interstates, only need to drop to direct (4th).

The 6.2 will do fine it just won't do it like that 6.0! They may have been the least reliable engine Ford ever put in a vehicle, but they are great pullers.

This is what happens when you bring a knife (torque) to a gunfight (HP).

[Turtle_n_Peeps]

jmtandem wrote:

Contrary to popular belief on this forum, torque is not power and your new truck has almost 75 more HP than your old one.

You might want to share this gem with Ford, Ram and GM as their Towing Guides definately provide for more towing performance and higher tow values with the diesel. I bet they would love to hear your reasons.

To the OP, congrats on the new to you truck. Hope you have many good miles with it. The 6.2 is almost bullet proof as to reliability.

A little reading might explain it better than I can.

The higher towing value has nothing to do with the amount of torque.

With your reasoning lower torque must be better because a F450 truck has a higher tow rating with less torque than a F350 with the same engine. :R